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A SHORT HISTORY (SO FAR) OF THE PF9
03/15/07 at 14:10:18

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This is intended as a historical reference only--Not a disparagement of the PF9 or the Kel-Tec company. Please do not post anti Kel-Tec comments here. Thanks!

CONTENTS:

POST SUBJECT
0 PF-9 MODEL LETTERS
0-2   PF-9 HISTORY
2 E MODEL BARREL
4 KTOG PF-9s BY STATE
5 KEL-TEC PF-9 SERIAL NUMBER SYSTEM & historical list

PF9 MODEL LETTER/SERIAL NUMBER

A MODEL: SN R0001-R0100 Dull blue slides.

B MODEL: SN R0001-R0100 FACTORY REFURBISHED. Parked slides.

C MODEL: SN R0101-R0F99 Bright, highly finished blue slides.

D MODEL: ANY A, B, or C model factory refurbished. Has retro-fitted new barrel, with longer feed ramp.

E MODEL: 3/27/07 SN R0G00 and UP. At least two SN R0FXX were delivered with new barrel. Some SN R0Kxx were reported delivered with old style barrel.

4/27 Parkerized Available.

5/21 Hard Chrome available.

7/21/07 New deeper-groove trigger bar. (SN R2Cxx & up)

F MODEL: D or E Model retrofitted with G model Frame.

G MODEL: SN R3P00 AND UP. 10/10/07) Produced with new frame to eliminate ejector pin walk.

THE SERIAL NUMBER SYSTEM IS EXPLAINED IN REPLY # 5, JUST AHEAD.

Most of the following problems have been cured and resolved. Current problems (Few in number and minor in nature.) with PF9s (10,000 built as of 8/23/07) are tracked by * code next to Owner Listing number at:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166234817

SOME PF9 HISTORY:

   The PF9 was asked for by KTOG. We have clamored for a single stack nine for many years. Its impending production was first revealed to us here in November 2005--And to the general public at the SHOT show February of 2006.

ORIGINAL LIST PRICES ESTIMATED DEALER COST:
BLUED FINISH= $314-------$199
PARKERIZED= $355--------$225
HARD CHROME= $368-------$233

   Shortly after the SHOT show announcement:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1139486593

This forum (PF-9) was born:

http://wwwktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1139771633

We talked about it for months, finally running out of anything factual and resorting to speculation:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1150494431

   The original shipment date was supposed to be May of 2006, but it kept being postponed. Nobody has ever told us exactly why shipment did not start until late September of 2006. My R204x Was built 8/21/06, but was not SHIPPED until 9/26/06. Unconfirmed rumor has it that magazine delivery was the holdup.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1159376617

   The following letter designations were developed on KTOG for differentiating among the various PF9 versions. They are not factory related and Kel-Tec would probably not recognize models by letter. Please do not confuse these MODEL letters with letters in the serial number. For example: C models may have an A, B, C, D, E or F in their serial number.

THE SERIAL NUMBER SYSTEM IS EXPLAINED IN REPLY # 5, JUST AHEAD.

A MODELS:

   The first 100 PF9s were mostly bought by the factory employees and distributors. George Kellgren himself took the first 19 off the assembly line. They were released in late September 2006 and Wilson was the very first KTOGer to get one on 10/01/06:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1159732043

   It was a good concept. The PF-9 fits a niche between the P11 and the P3AT. It competes against the slightly smaller and far more expensive kahr PM9:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160705868

   IMO, KT employees and KTOGers got the bulk of the A model production. Only thirteen found their way to KTOG and I have never heard of anyone else having an A Model. So it's possible that only 13 PF9 A models got into customer hands.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1162332400;start=0#0

   IMO, the company made the mistake of assuming that by mixing parts from two proven reliable pistols, (P3AT and P11) they would produce an equally reliable pistol that did not need the same amount of rigorous testing of production PF-9s as a brand new design from scratch would require.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1161216116

   The little A model production gun had a slew of problems that weren't found in pre-production testing.

PROBLEMS IN THE 100 A MODELS:

1. Some early barrels had SHORT THROATS that would not chamber the longer 147 grain ammo:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1159901242;start=15#22

2. They tried to use the same screw for the sight as for the extractor. But when the screw was tightened during production this caused it to intrude into the hammer arc which caused:
3. HAMMER PEENING from hitting the screw, which caused:
4. HAMMER SLIDE SCORING, which caused additional wear to the hammer which then caused more hammer slide scoring etc. which caused
5. A PLETHORA OF FINE BRASS DUST from the cartridges being shaved by the rough hammer slide.
6. The FIRING PIN CHANNEL in the slide was TOO LARGE and allowed the FP to wobble around and strike the primer crookedly.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160704326

This resulted in:
7. LIGHT PRIMER STRIKES and FAIL TO FIRES. The large hole also quickly attracted brass shavings from the:
8. SLIDE LOCK TAB TOO LARGE that rubbed against the bullet noses and piled up shavings. This also caused:

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A SHORT HISTORY (SO FAR) OF THE PF9
Reply #1 - 03/15/07 at 14:10:36

9. FTS, (Fail To Something) a weird kind of FTFeed that locked open the breech with the cartridge nose trapped under the Slide stop tab.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160796460

10. It also had problems with the first 3 rounds in the magazine tending to NOSE DIVE INTO THE FEED RAMP.

11. The MAGAZINE follower is a soft material and quickly developed a GOUGE caused by the last round flipping end for end and smacking its rim into the top of the follower.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1161319620

12. The SLIDE was NOT PROPERLY HARDENED. This caused slide bending which gradually caused:

13 BARREL AND BREECH PEENING and:

14. LIGHT STRIKES from slide not closing into battery.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1161379502

15. Many SLIDES also CRACKED at the slide stop notch.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1162303854

16. Many of the grip accessory rails were not straight--They tended to droop down.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160704326;start=90#92

   The PF9 magazines, for whatever reason, appear not to be made by MecGar. (Rumor has it that MecGar was too busy with a government contract.)

   The PF9 magazine followers are a soft plastic that dents easily and the sharper slide lock tabs tend to dig holes in them.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1161319620

  These mags also apparently have sharper edges in the mag catch area and tend to wear mag catches quickly if the catch is not depressed during mag insertion.

B MODELS:

   All who returned their dull blued A models received back brand new Parkerized B models with their old serial number stamped thereon.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1163440316

   Almost all of the A model problems were corrected in the B model. Mine is still flawless after 600 rounds.

   The original first owners, the PIONEERS who bought the early A and B models are listed HERE:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1162332400;start=0#0

C MODELS:

   Production of A Models was halted 10/06 while KT sorted out the slide hardening problems. When production resumed at about SN 100,

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1165800379;start=0#0

The brightly blued C model was born. This gun may still have some problems:

1. Starting after 200-400 rounds: OCASIONAL FTLoads due to cartridges NOSE DIVING INTO FEED RAMPs
2. EJECTORS that BREAK AFTER 200-700 rounds.
3. ASSEMBLY PINS that LOSE THEIR HEADS unexpectedly.
4. The SLIDE LOCK TAB has been changed several times and may be so sharp now, that it CUTS A HOLE into the mag follower:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170549117

5. DISCOLORED SLIDES where super-hardened areas did not blue well.

   On 01/17/07 KT announced full production of the PF9. Full production probably means 700-1000 per week or more. IMO, delivery of C models was halted just a few days later while they searched for a hollowpoint feeding solution--Which was a completely new barrel with longer feed ramp.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170196547;start=0

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1172087086

   Apparently a decision was made by KT to resume PF-9 C model production, or maybe to just release those that were already produced before the freeze, in 2/07. These SN R0AXX to R0FXX C Models do NOT have the new barrels.

If YOU own a PF9 and are NOT on either the A, B, C, or later list, Please post here:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1173985818

with your PF9 SN, (x out the last digit) date purchased, Dealer name and address, location and price before tax so I can add you to the list.

   The list of known KTOG A, B C, D and E Models) is HERE:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166234817;start=0

D MODELS:

D Models are A, B, or C models that have been returned to the factory for new, longer barrels--And probably new slides as well.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1172087086;start=0

I imagine the A or B models will be upgraded to C parts and converted to D Models.

   lbbennett is the first confirmed KTOGer to receive a new D model. She returned her PF-9 to her FFL on 03/02/07. The BBT brought it back to her on 03/21/07. Congrats, Laura!

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1172087086;start=30#44

E MODELS:

UPDATE: As of 5/22 there have been 6 reports of PF9 problems with trigger going slack. It is caused by the trigger spring popping out of the trigger bar groove. So far--No definitive cause.

Possible KTOG solutions--And the ultimate Kel-Tec problem resolution are Here:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1176553013#10

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A SHORT HISTORY (SO FAR) OF THE PF9
Reply #2 - 03/15/07 at 14:10:58

The latest models, (Es) that will start with SN R0G00 (Probably April 07) are already being built with the new, longer and shallower feed ramp, (The one at the left) on the barrel:

Click image to enlarge

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1172087086;start=30#42

They may also have a new or altered magazine and a different slide lock tab system more akin to the P11.

UPDATE: ProModFan received SN R0GXX on March 27 2007. He is the first on KTOG to get one. The E models have started to arrive. So far there are no changes to magazine or slide lock.

UPDATE: As of 03/01/07 there have been more than 1600 PF9s delivered. So far, only 76 of these have come to KTOG.

UPDATE: As of 04/22/07 LIST PRICES have increased.

NEW LIST PRICE ESTIMATED NEW DEALER COST
BLUED from $314 to $333---------------$211
PARKERIZED from $355 to $377--------$225
HARD CHROME from $368 to $390-------$247

UPDATE: As of 4/27, the PF-9 is now available with PARKERIZED slide and barrel. Congrats to Bulldog44, the first KTOGer to get one.

These are good for stealth, but Parkerization inside the barrel may cut bullet velocity some.

UPDATE: As of 5/02/07, more E models have been produced than Total A, B, and C production.

UPDATE: As of 5/10/07 more than 3600 have been distributed.

UPDATE: As of 5/19/07 more than 4300 PF9's distributed.

UPDATE: As of 5/21/07 the PF9 is now available with Hard Chrome slide and barrel. Congrats to Druggie, The first KTOGer to get one:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1173849357;start=45#48

UPDATE: As of 6/23 there are 10 cases of trigger spring popping out and about 4 cases of ejector pin slipping out and jamming hammer.

UPDATE 6/28: 6500 PF9s built. 1500 were produced in just 2 weeks. Production is ramping up.

UPDATE: On 7/1 a possible case of trigger-pin-backout right out of the box was reported.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1183341062

SIDENOTE: My new HC PF9 (R1Yxx) was born 6/12/07, was shipped 6/21 and arrived at the Dealer on 7/09. So, at least in this one case the PF9s gathered for at least a week before shipping and traveled for 18 days from factory to distributor to dealer. I was lucky enough to find it still there and buy it on 7/10.

I am disappointed that 5 months have gone by and KT is still shipping PF9s with slide lock tabs that hardly touch follower and cut the notch away.

UPDATE: 7/12/07 A new trigger bar with deeper groove for trigger spring is introduced. This should eliminate the "Trigger spring pops out" malfunction.
I estimate that SNs R2C and up will have it.

Quote from PshootR on 07/16/07 at 00:22:08:

Stopped by K/T last friday and the gunsmith said there is a new trigger bar for the PF-9 with a deeper groove in it.

UPDATE 7/28/07 NIGHT SIGHTS MAY NOW BE AVAILABLE:

Quote from Q-Gunner2 on 07/28/07 at 01:28:46:

I am thinking about buying a PF-9. It is new in box for $279 and has night sights on it. Is this a good price?

UPDATE 8/2 R2Exx arrives at KT. This probably has the new deep-groove trigger bar in it. At least 8,200 PF-9s have been produced.

UPDATE: 8/23/07 more than 10,000 PF-9s have been produced. KTOGers own 328 of them.

UPDATE: 8/26 I expect any day now we'll see a SN R30xx. That will mark the passing of 10,200 PF9s built.

UPDATE 9/25/07: At least 11,400 PF9s have been produced.

UPDATE 9/26: After at least 15 confirmed KTOG instances of PF9 ejector pin walking out and jamming the hammer--KT has come up with a factory fix:

The frame has been strengthened and thickened at the ejector pin hole, and the hole is partially covered so the pin cannot get at the hammer:

Click image to enlarge

Pic courtesy of KuduKing.

Quote from ktwm on 09/26/07 at 16:54:41:

There is a factory fix which is currently in the production pipeline.

The fix would be under the "other" category in TPP's first post. basically more frame material is left around the pin and the hole is only drilled deep enough for the pin (Actually half the hole breaks free, so you can sort-of pop it out if necessary).

This will make it more difficult for you to replace the ejector, but it will be impossible for the pin to work it's way out and bind up the hammer. These new frames may allready be out on the streets. I know that some of the first batch of these new frames are being held specifically for repairs.

so if you call customer service and then send in your PF with a note stateing that the ejector pin is walking out, Your frame will be replaced with the new ejector-pin-securing-super-frame. Grin

I'll see if I can post a picture tomorrow.

A major change to the FRAME will make this a new MODEL. Production PF9s with the new frame will be G Models. D or E models retrofitted with the new frame will become F Models.

I estimate that the first production G Model will be SN R3S00, and we should see them in about 3 weeks. (10/17?) That's an S as in Sam, not a five. Perhaps ktwm will be kind enough to tell us the EXACT SN of the production change.

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Reply #3 - 03/15/07 at 14:11:16

UPDATE 9/28:

The F Model is a previous model factory retrofitted with the new non-slip-ejector-pin Frame. This upgrade will ONLY ever be accomplished by returning the miscreant gun to the factory.

KuduKing is the first KTOGer to report receiving a new F Model PF9 returned from the factory. Congrats KuduKing and thanks for sharing!

Quote from ktwm on 10/05/07 at 22:18:31:

FYI

If you notice the ejector pin walking, be sure to include a note with the gun saying that it is walking (and whatever else is wrong) when you send it in. It's not always enough to just tell customer support when you call them. A note with the serial number of the gun on it explaining what is wrong will definately be seen by the gunsmith and then you will be sure to get the frame replaced with the new style.

I estimate that production PF9s beginning with SN R3S will have the new Frame and thus be G Models.

UPDATE 9/29:

litenlarry may be the first KTOGer to buy a G model. SN R3Lxx. He apparently has a distributor connection.

Quote from litenlarry on 09/29/07 at 10:00:38:

I see no pin, mine looks like your pic as far as I can tell...BTW, the pistol was supposed to have just arrived at the warehouse Sept 27th..Thanks for the info

NOTE: THIS IS UNCONFIRMED AND SN R3M DOES NOT HAVE THE NEW FRAME. I'M GOING BACK TO R3S AND 10/17 AS MY ESTIMATED G MODEL SN AND DATE.

UPDATE 10/10/07:

KTOG member D has posted confirmation of the first KTOG G model, SN R3Pxx.

Congrats D!

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UPDATE 10/11/07:

KTOG PF9 ownership reaches total of 400.

UPDATE 10/16/07:

It looks like KT has really ramped up PF9 production to about 3,000 per month.

UPDATE 12/23/07: It looks like the total PF9 production will pass 20,000 during 2007.

UPDATE 1/1/08 Several FTS nosedive jam malfunctions in G models have been reported lately. I wonder if some change was made that is producing these. FTS was the reason for the E model barrel change. We have not had these for a long time, but now they seem to be coming back.

UPDATE 1/4/08: KTOG PF9 ownership passes 500. Total PF9 production passed 20,000 by several hundred in 2007.

UPDATE: All PF9s manufactured after November 2007 do NOT have the little breakable frame piece in front of the hammer anymore.

UPDATE 3/08: All PF9s now come in a nice plastic box. No more white cardboard.

UPDATE 5/15/08: All PF-9s after SN R9800 will have a new trigger system that will NOT allow firing off the hammer block. NO MORE SHORT STROKE FAIL-TO-FIRES!

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209446965/15#20

Quote from ktwm on 05/19/08 at 12:28:40:

I just checked the serial numbers and it looks like the numbers below are pretty close to where the new improvement starts. There may be some overlap of old and new parts near these serial numbers but it gives you an Idea of what to look for.

P-32: CJQ00
P-3AT: JRW00
PF-9: R9800

UPDATE 6/13/08:

The new trigger mod is available for retro-fit:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1213315536/5#5

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Reply #4 - 03/15/07 at 14:11:33

KTOG PF-9s BY STATE:

ALABAMA---------E=3
ALASKA-----------G=1
ARIZONA---------C=4 E=16 G=4
ARKANSAS-------C=1 E=2 G=1
CALIFORNIA-----E=1
COLORADO------C=3 E=4
CONNECTICUT--C=2 E=3 G=1
DELAWARE------NONE
FLORIDA---------A=2 C=11 E=27 G=10
GEORGIA---------C=1 E=16 G=2
HAWAII-----------NONE
IDAHO-------------E=1
ILLINOIS----------E=2
INDIANA-----------E=9 G=3
IOWA--------------E=1 G=1
KANSAS-----------C=1 E=8
KENTUCKY--------C=4 E=9
LOUISIANA--------C=1 E=3 G=1
MAINE--------------E=4
MARYBANNED---------NONE
MASSASHOOTLESS-NONE
MICHIGAN----------C=1 E=13 G=4
MINNESOTA--------C=1 E=9 G=2
MISSISSIPPI--------E=3
MISSOURI-----------C=4 E=9 G=7
MONTANA------------NONE
NEBRASKA-----------E=1
NEVADA--------------E=4 G=1
NEW HAMPSHIRE---C=1 E=5
NEW JERSEY---------E=1
NEW MEXICO--------G=1
NEW YORK------------A=2 C=1 E=2
NORTH CAROLINA---C=3 E=15 G=3
NORTH DAKOTA------C=1 E=1
OHIO-------------------C=7 E=16 G=7 First G Model. 10/10/07
OKLAHOMA------------C=1 E=10 G=2
OREGON----------------E=7 G=3
PENNSYLVANIA--------A=2 C=4 E=20
RHODE ISLAND--------E=2
SOUTH CAROLINA-----A=1 C=5 E=8 G=3
SOUTH DAKOTA--------E=1
TENNESSEE-------------C=3 E=12 G=6
TEXAS--------------------A=3 C=9 E=31 G=12
UTAH---------------------A=1 C=2 E=7 G=3
VERMONT----------------NONE
VIRGINIA-----------------A=1 C=1 E=7 G=5
WASHINGTON-----------C=2 E=14 G=5
WEST VIRGINIA---------E=6
WISCONSIN--------------E=1 G=1
WYOMING-----------------NONE

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Reply #5 - 03/15/07 at 14:11:49

Keltec base 34 Serial Number system EXPLAINED:

The last two digits represent the numbers 0 to 99 and will always be numbers. To avoid confusion with the numbers one and zero, the letters "I" and "O" are not used. The system starts with the numbers 1-999 and then uses 24 letters before starting again with 0-9.

* This SN has been built, but none are presently in KTOG.

A MODEL:
R0001 to R0099? = First 99 A Models-- BUILT 8/10-25/06. DELIVERED: 10/01-11/01/06. Dull Blued Slide.
FIRST SHOOTNIC 10/31

B MODEL:
PRODUCTION HALTED TO SOLVE A MODEL PROBLEMS: Most A Models Factory converted to B Models. Parkerized Slide. During this time, KT would not send parts to owners. PF9's had to be returned to factory for any problem.

C MODEL:
Bright Blued Slide.

R0100 12/07 PRODUCTION RESUMED: First KTOG C Model
R0200=200 12/15
R0300=300 12/20
R0400=400 12/20

Quote:
PF-9 Update: The Kel-Tec PF-9 Pistol has gone into full production. (posted 1-17-07, Kel-Tec.com)

R0500=500 1/19/07
R0600 =600 12/20
R0700=700 12/29
R0800=800 1/28

PRODUCTION HALTED TO ADDRESS JHP FEEDING PROBLEM (NEW BARREL CREATED.)

R0900=900 2/23/07 PRODUCTION RESUMED
R0A00= # 1000 2/28
R0B00=1100 3/09
R0C00=1200 3/13
R0D00=1300 3/16
R0E00=1400 3/20
R0F00=1500 3/22 Some of these have new barrel.

D AND E MODELS: D models are A, B or C Models with retrofitted E Model barrel.

R0G00=1600 First E models, (Built with new barrel) FIRST KTOG E MODEL: 3/27
R0H00=1700 4/05
R0J00=1800 4/04
R0K00=1900 4/11 Production=900/MO Some SN R0K had old P11 barrel
R0L00=2000 4/14
R0M00=2100 4/21

6% LIST PRICE INCREASE 4/22

R0N00=2200 4/24
R0P00=2300 4/23
R0Q00=2400 4/25
R0R00=2500 4/26
R0S00=2600 4/26

R0T00=2700 4/27 First KTOG Parkerized

R0U00=2800 5/14
R0V00=2900 4/30
R0W00=3000 5/08
R0X00=3100 4/28

R0Y00=3200 5/02 More E models built than all previous models.

R0Z00=3300 *
R1000=3400 5/02
R1100=3500 5/24
R1200=3600 5/10 Production= 1700/MO
R1300=3700 5/23
R1400=3800 6/09
R1500=3900 6/08
R1600=4000 *
R1700=4100 6/01
R1800=4200 5/24
R1900=4300 5/19
R1A00=4400 5/20

R1B00=4500 5/21 First KTOG Hard Chrome PF9

Possible production delay.

R1C00=4600 6/22
R1D00=4700 6/16
R1E00=4800 6/21
R1F00=4900 6/16
R1G00=5000 6/21
R1H00=5100 6/15 Production= 1500/MO
R1J00=5200 6/24
R1K00=5300 7/7
R1L00=5400 6/28
R1M00=5500 7/19
R1N00=5600 6/27
R1P00=5700 7/7
R1Q00=5800 7/27
R1R00=5900 6/20 7/27
R1S00=6000 9/11
R1T00=6100 *
R1U00=6200 7/7
R1V00=6300 7/3 BD 6/22
R1W00=6400 6/30
R1X00=6500 6/28 2 week production = 1500
R1Y00=6600 7/10
R1Z00=6700 7/6
R2000=6800 7/7
R2100=6900 7/5
R2200=7000 7/20
R2300=7100 7/23
R2400=7200 8/2
R2500=7300 7/16 Production=2200/Mo
R2600=7400 8/22
R2700=7500 8/4
R2800=7600 7/31
R2900=7700 7/27
R2A00=7800 8/8
R2B00=7900 8/4

R2C00=8000 8/25 New Trigger Bar prevents trigger spring pop out.

R2D00=8100 8/12
R2E00=8200 8/2
R2F00=8300 *
R2G00=8400 8/9
R2H00=8500 8/20
R2J00=8600 *
R2K00=8700 8/11
R2L00=8800 *
R2M00=8900 8/16
R2N00=9000 *
R2P00=9100 8/21
R2Q00=9200 8/17
R2R00=9300 8/31
R2S00=9400 8/14 Production 2100/mo
R2T00=9500 *
R2UOO=9600 9/1
R2V00=9700 9/7
R2W00=9800 8/21
R2X00=9900 8/19
R2Y00=10000 *

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Reply #6 - 03/15/07 at 14:12:04

SN------# Built Date First seen on KTOG
R2Z00=10100 8/31
R3000=10200 9/11
R3100=10300 8/29
R3200=10400 9/8
R3300=10500 10/4
R3400=10600 9/17
R3500=10700 9/8
R3600=10800 9/25
R3700=10900 9/22
R3800=11000 9/27
R3900=11100 9/20 Production 1700/Mo
R3A00=11200 *
R3B00=11300 9/26
R3C00=11400 9/25
R3D00=11500 9/26
R3E00=11600 10/13
R3F00=11700 10/3
R3G00=11800 9/28
R3H00=11900 9/28
R3J00=12000 9/28
R3K00=12100 9/29
R3L00=12200 9/28
R3M00=12300 10/06
R3N00=12400 10/02

R3P00=12500 10/10 First confirmed KTOG G Model with new frame.

R3Q00=12600 10/27
R3R00=12700 10/19
R3S00=12800 10/18
R3T00=12900 12/30
R3U00=13000 10/15
R3V00=13100 10/20
R3W00=13200 10/27
R3X00=13300 *
R3Y00=13400 12/05
R3Z00=13500 12/2
R4000=13600 *
R4100=13700 10/16
R4200=13800 10/24
R4300=13900 10/22 Production 2.8K/MO
R4400=14000 11/2
R4500=14100 10/27
R4600=14200 *
R4700=14300 11/3
R4800=14400 11/2
R4900=14500 10/30
R4A00=14600 *
R4B00=14700 1/6
R4C00=14800 *
R4D00=14900 11/16
R4E00=15000 11/19
R4F00=15100 *
R4G00=15200 11/27
R4H00=15300 *
R4J00= 5400 11/16
R4K00=15500 12/27
R4L00=15600 11/25
R4M00=15700 12/27
R4N00=15800 *
R4P00=15900 11/26
R4Q00=16000 11/23 Production 2.1K/MO
R4R00=16100 *
R4S00=16200 *
R4T00=16300 *
R4U00=16400 12/1
R4V00=16500 *
R4W00=16600 *
R4VX0=16700 *
R4Y00=16800 12/26
R4Z00=16900 1/30/08
R5000=17000 12/10
R5100=17100 *
R5200=17200 12/2
R5300=17300 12/9
R5400=17400 12/29
R5500=17500 *
R5600=17600 12/14
R5700=17700 *
R5800=17800 *
R5900=17900 12/8
R5A00=18000 12/13
R5B00=18100 12/20
R5C00=18200 *
R5D00=18300 12/18 Production 2.3K/MO
R5E00=18400 1/5/08
R5F00=18500 *
R5G00=18600 *
R5H00=18700 1/27
R5J00=18800 1/5/08
R5K00=18900 1/8/08
R5L00=19000 *
R5M00=19100 12/21
R5N00=19200 *
R5P00=19300 12/26
R5Q00=19400 *
R5R00=19500 1/5/08
R5S00=19600 *
R5T00=19700 1/12/08
R5U00=19800 *
R5V00=19900 *
R5W00=20000 1/12
R5X00=20100 *
R5Y00=20200 1/25
R5Z00=20300 1/04/08
R6000=20400 *
R6100=20500 1/23
R6200=20600 1/24
R6300=20700 1/19
R6400=20800 *
R6500=20900 *
R6600=21000 1/20 Production 2.7K/MO
R6700=21100
R6800=21200
R6900=21300
R6A00=21400
R6B00=21500
R6C00=21600
R6D00=21700
R6E00=21800
R6F00=21900
R6G00=22000
R6H00=22100
R6J00=22200
R6K00=22300
R6L00=22400
R6M00=22500
R6N00=22600
R6P00=22700
R6Q00=22800
R6R00=22900
R6S00=23000
R6T00=23100
R6U00=23200
R6V00=23300
R6W00=23400
R6V00=23500
R6Y00=23600
R6Z00=23700
R7000=23800
R7100=23900
R7200=24000
R7300=24100
R7400=24200
R7500=24300
R7600=24400
R7700=24500
R7800=24600
R7900=24700
R7A00=24800
R7B00=24900
R7C00=25000
R7D00=25100
R7E00=25200
R7F00=25300
R7G00=25400
R7H00=25500
R7J00=25600
R7K00=25700
R7L00=25800
R7M00=25900
R7N00=26000
R7P00=26100
R7Q00=26200
R7R00=26300
R7S00=26400
R7T00=26500
R7U00=26600
R7V00=26700
R7W00=26800
R7X00=26900
R7Y00=27000
R7Z00=27100
R8000=27200
R8100=27300
R8200=27400
R8300=27500
R8400=27600
R8500=27700
R8600=27800
R8700=27900
R8800=28000
R8900=28100
R8A00=28200
R8B00=28300
R8C00=28400
R8D00=28500
R8E00=28600
R8F00=28700
R8G00=28800
R8H00=28900
R8J00=29000
R8K00=29100
R8L00=29200
R8M00=29300
R8N00=29400
R8P00=29500
R8Q00=29600
R8R00=29700]
R8S00=29800
R8T00=29900
R8U00=30000
R8V00=30100
R8W00=30200
R8X00=30300
R8Y00=30400
R8Z00=30500
R9000=30600
R9100=30700
R9200=30800
R9300=30900
R9400=31000
R9500=31100
R9600=31200
R9700=31300
R9800=31400
R9900=31500
R9A00=31600
R9B00=31700
R9C00=31800
R9D00=31900
R9E00=32000

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Reply #7 - 03/15/07 at 14:12:24

R9F00=32100
R9G00=32200
R9H00=32300
R9J00=32400
R9K00=32500
R9L00=32600
R9M00=32700
R9N00=32800
R9P00=32900
R9Q00=33000
R9R00=33100
R9S00=33200
R9T00=33300
R9U00=33400
R9V00=33500
R9W00=33600
R9X00=33700
R9Y00=33800
R9Z00=33900
RA000=34000
RA100=34100
RA200=34200
RA300=34300
RA400=34400
RA500=34500
RA600=34600
RA700=34700
RA800=34800
RA900=34900
RAA00=35000
RAB00=35100
RAC00=35200
RAD00=35300
RAE00=35400
RAF00=35500
RAG00=35600
RAH00=35700
RAJ00= 35800
RAK00=35900
RAL00=36000
RAW00=37000
RB600=38000
RBG00=39000
RBS00=40000
RC200=41000
RCC00=42000
RCN00=43000
RCY00=44000
RD800=45000
RDJ00=46000
RDU00=47000
RE400=48000
REE00=49000
REQ00=50000
RF000=51000
RFA00=52000
RFL00=53000
RFW00=54000
RG600=55000
RGG00=56000
RGS00=57000
RH200=58000
RHC00=59000
RHN00=60000
RHY00=61000
RJ800=62000
RJJ00=63000
RJU00=64000
RK400=65000
RKE00=66000
RKQ00=67000
RL000=68000
RLA00=69000
RLL00=70000
RLW00=71000
RM600=72000
RME00=73000
RMQ00=74000
RN200=75000
RNC00=76000
RNN00=77000
RNY00=78000
RP800=79000
RPJ00=80000
RPU00=81000
RQ400=82000
RQE00=83000
RQQ00=84000
RR000=85000
RRA00=86000
RRL00=87000
RRW00=88000
RS600=89000
RSG00=90000
RSS00=91000
RT200=92000
RTC00=93000
RTN00=94000
RTY00=95000
RU800=96000
RUJ00=97000
RUU00=98000
RV400=99000
RVE00=100,000
RVQ00=101,000
RW000=102,000
RWA00=103,000
RWL00=104,000
RWW00=105000
RX600=106,000
RXG00=107,000
RXS00=108,000
RY200=109,000
RYC00=110,000
RYN00=111,000
RYY00=112,000
RZ800=113,000
RZJ00=114,000
RZU00=115,000
S0000=115,600
S0400=116,000

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Reply #10 - 03/15/07 at 14:33:40

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Quote from KAOSKTRL on 03/12/07 at 16:22:28:

I was just getting ready to start a thread asking if it was safe to buy one of these weapons yet, So Is it?
Or is more waiting recommended?

I would wait until ktwm tells us what production serial number starts getting the new barrel--and then buy only above that number.

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Quote from Rook on 03/14/07 at 11:08:43:

I sent Kel-Tec an E-mail day before yesterday and asked what serial numbers we could expect to see the new extended load ramp on. They said they didn't have that info.

I replied to that E-mail and ask what serial numbers were on the guns going out the door today. I could at least expect to see the new ramp on these right? They sent back an answer this morning saying they didn't have that info either.

BS! If that's the best they can do they can stuff the PF-9 where the sun don't shine.

I don't think ANY are going out until the new barrel is finished testing. IMO they HAVE shipped a few hundred that were built before the production halt--but they don't have the new barrels.

It's looking like at least April before we see production with the new barrel. Ktwm said he would notify us what SN they start shipping new barrels on and I believe he will.

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Quote from nameisjoem on 03/14/07 at 11:35:23:

Yahoooo! Just picked up mine last night.

Serial number is R0CXX

Congrats, nameisjoem!

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Quote from nicneufeld on 03/14/07 at 14:31:36:

Wow! The PF-9, I remember that gun!

Grin

Nic, who has been on the waiting list long enough he starts to forget he has one of these on order, from time to time

PS: nice writeup! summarizes it well.

Thanks, Nic! If it is true that they are producing them now with the elongated barrel, then you won't be waiting much longer.

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Reply #12 - 03/21/07 at 19:26:26

would you like this base 34 chart, if not, i'll remove it

Here is a chart to convert to numerical (10base).
the first charector "R" disingates PF9

\|1	\|2	\|3	\|4	\|5	\|6	\|7	\|8	\|9	\|A	\|B
\|01	\|02	\|03	\|04	\|05	\|06	\|07	\|08	\|09	\|10	\|11

\|C	\|D	\|E	\|F	\|G	\|H	\|J	\|K	\|L	\|M	\|N
\|12	\|13	\|14	\|15	\|16	\|17	\|18	\|19	\|20	\|21	\|22

\|P	\|Q	\|R	\|S	\|T	\|U	\|V	\|W	\|X	\|Y	\|Z
\|23	\|24	\|25	\|26	\|27	\|28	\|29	\|30	\|31	\|32	\|33

R	\|X	\|X	\|x	\|x	totals
	\|___			X 3400	______
		\|___		X 100	______
			\|___	X 10	______
				\|___	______
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Reply #13 - 03/21/07 at 19:30:37

Cool! Thanks! Leave it right there please.

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Here is a chart to convert to numerical (10base).
the first charector "R" desingates PF9

|1 |2 |3 |4 |5 |6 |7 |8 |9 |A |B
|01 |02 |03 |04 |05 |06 |07 |08 |09 |10 |11

|C |D |E |F |G |H |J |K |L |M |N
|12 |13 |14 |15 |16 |17 |18 |19 |20 |21 |22

|P |Q |R |S |T |U |V |W |X |Y |Z
|23 |24 |25 |26 |27 |28 |29 |30 |31 |32 |33

R |X |X |x |x totals

______X 115,500 ________
|___ X 3400 ______
  |___ X 100 ______
   |___ X 10 ______
   |___X 1 ______
   sum ______

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