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zeke YaBB Moderator Posts: 2519 Gender:	PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers 03/01/08 at 15:07:19 I recently sent a PF-9 back to Kel-Tec for service. Included in the box with the normal service sheet was the following letter. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge
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doubloon Grand Poobah Houston-ish, TX Posts: 4672 Gender:	Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers Reply #1 - 03/01/08 at 16:26:49 Interesting to note, modification of the slide stop "will" void the lifetime warranty and warranty repair requests should be accompanied by the bill of sale to "expedite" warranty work. I wonder how tightly they will adhere to those words.
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TxCajun YaBB Administrator Texas: Si' Hablo Ing'les Posts: 24551 Gender:	Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers Reply #2 - 03/01/08 at 17:41:30 The BOS for warranty work has always been in the owner's manual as is the disclaimer on modifications. I think that letter is good as it addresses some very common issues with the PF9 that folks should be aware of before returing for service.
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Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers
Reply #3 - 03/01/08 at 18:09:30

Quote from doubloon on 03/01/08 at 16:26:49:

Interesting to note, modification of the slide stop "will" void the lifetime warranty and warranty repair requests should be accompanied by the bill of sale to "expedite" warranty work. I wonder how tightly they will adhere to those words.

If we are picking apart specifics, please also note the trigger modification section as well.

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Reply #4 - 03/02/08 at 08:23:55

Missed that part VR.

I guess what I'm getting at is to include this type of wording in what appears to be primarily a "tips and pointers" sheet seems (to me) to herald more strict enforcement of the code. What with Ruger entering their market and all they may need to be a bit less generous with "warranty" claims if they're going to ride out the challenge and still have money left over for R&D. Of course, I don't know anything about their financial situation, just looking for the writing on the wall where there may be none.

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Reply #5 - 03/02/08 at 09:25:40

"Tips and Pointers" was my choice for the thread title. I'm not sure how KT would describe it.
Information Paper ? ? ?

Here's my take on the sections.
Ammunition - Tip or Pointer

First round feeding - Tip or Pointer

Light strikes - Tip or Pointer

Trigger adjustment - Safety warning, your changing the design specs that the gun was built on. Some of these mods are minimally invasive, however others, like the mod for changing the length of pull involve removing material from the frame, hammer, or other parts. IMO if you choose to do any of the mods and it doesn't come out the way you wanted it to, can you really expect KT to cover the cost of what you messed up.

Misfeeding - Tip or Pointer, Nice way of saying lock you wrist, don't limpwrist the gun.

Assembly pin removal - Tip or Pointer

Assembly pin installation - Tip or Pointer

Belt clip installation Warning- I see this as more of a follow the supplied instructions statement, they must be getting some returns, when things go wrong for the user. I've never replaced the hammer block on the P3AT or PF-9 and don't want to. But lets face it, if the person couldn't handle removing a couple frame pins correctly, I don't think they would be able to reinstall the hammer block correctly.

Magazines - Tip or Pointer

Slide stop - Warning, again if you choose to take a file to the slide to make it act as a slide release, and go to far and now it won't lock back anymore, can you really expect KT to cover the cost of what you messed up.

Attention extra piece - Information

PF-9 Barrel - Information

Warranty Repair/Service - Information, same as in the Owners Manual

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daviscustom Junior Member Posts: 62	Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers Reply #6 - 03/04/08 at 21:07:28 The way that reads, especially about the slide stop, sounds like it only voids the warranty on the part you modify - not the whole pistol.
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Reply #7 - 03/04/08 at 21:12:26

I would agree. If you ruin your slide by filing on it or something, you might have to buy a new slide, but I don't think they'd dump the warranty on the entire gun. Generally speaking, they are more than fair. I have honestly never seen them deny any warranty claim that was mentioned here at ktog, however, you'd have to assume that some knucklehead somewhere, did something really stupid. Grin

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Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers
Reply #8 - 03/19/08 at 15:18:17

TxC,
Just wanted to let you know that us knuckleheads are out there ! .......And are encouraged by all the info on the Kel-Tec forum.
So far, I am not interested in doing any more than messing with the ejector pin and got the slide sort of stuck when re-installing it.
But who knows what I may decide to try next. I usually do learn from my mistakes.........hope they don't bite.

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zeke YaBB Moderator Posts: 2519 Gender:	Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers Reply #9 - 03/20/08 at 19:23:23 Quote from ezman38 on 03/19/08 at 15:18:17: But who knows what I may decide to try next. I usually do learn from my mistakes.........hope they don't bite. Keep reading maybe you'll be able to learn from someone else's mistake. It's less painful that way.
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Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers
Reply #10 - 05/09/08 at 18:42:04

Quote from doubloon on 03/01/08 at 16:26:49:

Interesting to note, modification of the slide stop "will" void the lifetime warranty and warranty repair requests should be accompanied by the bill of sale to "expedite" warranty work. I wonder how tightly they will adhere to those words.

I forgot to send in my bill of sale with the P3AT and I had to email it to Keltec in order to have the warranty work performed.
This is no different than any other manufacturer and I have no problem with it.
Another good reason not to purchase a used gun.
Toni

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TxCajun YaBB Administrator Texas: Si' Hablo Ing'les Posts: 24551 Gender:	Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers Reply #11 - 05/10/08 at 09:11:18 That is the first and only time I have heard of them requesting a BOS.
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Reply #12 - 05/21/08 at 18:05:39

Quote from TxCajun on 03/04/08 at 21:12:26:

If you ruin your slide by filing on it or something, you might have to buy a new slide, but I don't think they'd dump the warranty on the entire gun.

When I first purchased my HC PF-9, I stripped the firing pin screw and tried to fix it. First, I used an Easy Out and, when that didn't work, tried something real intelligent -- I believe it was a drill and drill bit or something of the sort embarrassed

Anyhow, for all practical purposes, that hard chrome slide was toast by the time I got done with it. I sent it in to Mother, and it was returned with a new slide and I suspect a new rail, too. No charges, but they did send a letter to the effect that, "if this happens again, the owner may be expected to pay for a new slide," or something very close to that. I told them exactly what I had done in a letter that went with the gun.

I also mentioned owning several other Kel Tec firearms. Don't know if that made any difference, but I was one happy, albeit surprised hombre to get it back with a real short turnaround and no charges! They sho' know how to get a customer's loyalty Cool

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Bo_Bryant Grand Poobah Gone Fishin'....Be Back Dark Thirty! Posts: 714 Gender:	Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers Reply #13 - 06/22/08 at 13:08:37 I haven't seen the P9. What is the size comparison with a .380? Is it some what larger, about the same size? Bo Bryant
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TxCajun YaBB Administrator Texas: Si' Hablo Ing'les Posts: 24551 Gender:	Re: PF-9 Kel-Tec Tips and Pointers Reply #14 - 06/22/08 at 18:29:51 Although very small and light for a 9mm, the PF9 is larger and heavier than the P3AT. Size-wise, the PF9 is identical to the P11 9mm, except that it is a tad thinner as a result of its single-stack mag. It also weighs slightly less and has the hammer block sysytem of the P3s with about a 6 pound trigger.
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