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Where is it!!!  Here it is!!!
08/15/08 at 20:52:12
 
I got a great deal from my local gun runner on a new SU-22CA. He's probably the largest seller on GunBroker, and his business is .6 miles from my house. I bought my SU-16C from him about a year ago, and then I got to know him because he's in my local Ron Paul group. Membership has its privileges! He ordered me an SU-22 but it wasn't available until after the KTOG National. He's had it for a few days, but we've both been busy. I finally dropped by tonight and picked it up. It's very cool.
 
Here is the SU-22CA, fresh out of the box.

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I didn't waste any time converting it to an SU-22C...

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...because it can fold more conveniently...

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...and then I added a big 4.5-14X50 Sightron scope...

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...but I may like the EOTech better.

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Decisions, decisions.
 
I'm going to read the user manual tonight and clean it, then probably take it out shooting tomorrow. I'll file a range report in this thread.
 
So far, the SU-22 has a solid, quality feel. I suspected it would, given the large number of parts that are common with the SU-16.
 
Serial number V008x.
 
Am I the first KTOGger to get an SU-22?
 
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Reply #1 - 08/15/08 at 21:03:39
 
nice score.  congratulations on your newest family member.
 
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Reply #2 - 08/15/08 at 22:14:28
 
Hi Bruce, very nice purchase. I hope I don't get the "bug" I just bought the wqorld's ugliest , most homely 870 you have ever seen as a project gun. Like I really needed another project gun!
 
congrats, enjoy!
 
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http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=106911144
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Reply #3 - 08/15/08 at 22:40:49
 
Looks really evil folded.  Cool
 
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Reply #4 - 08/15/08 at 22:51:41
 
Quote from atlasx on 08/15/08 at 22:14:28:

I just bought the world's ugliest , most homely 870 you have ever seen as a project gun. Like I really needed another project gun!

Link view only thru rose colored glasses!

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You really needed a much stronger warning on that link. That's the ugliest shotgun I've ever seen, and maybe the ugliest gun, period. It's even ugly by Beckley WV standards. It's as ugly as homemade sin. I'd eaten recently, and it was hard to keep my dinner down as I scrolled through the pictures.
 
You still got a good deal and you can probably win the award for Most Improved Project Gun. I'd throw all the furniture away. I'd actually wrap them in paper and tape and seal it in a box so the garbage man didn't accidentally see it and think I was responsible. I'd buy some Knoxx furniture for it, including the recoil reducing stock. I'd probably add a magazine tube extension. I'd bead blast the finish off the metal, wipe the dust and any residual oil off with alcohol and then spray it with matte black Ceramacoat. You'd double the cost, but you'd have a very nice shotgun for a bargain price. I'm really getting the urge to buy a good but ugly 12 gauge pump shotgun cheap in a F2F cash sale and fix it up, much as I described above, and hide it away where I can find it but nobody else can. Smiley
 
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Reply #5 - 08/16/08 at 06:13:50
 
zombies..... lips sealed
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Reply #6 - 08/16/08 at 06:49:06
 
Hey Carroll, where'd you get the tie-dyed shottie?  Grin
 
Just kidding.  
 
It'll probably clean up really nice.  No really. I'm serious. undecided    Wink
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Reply #7 - 08/16/08 at 13:34:15
 
L4E,
 
If you are really set on the C-model stock, and you have access to a milling machine (or just a steady hand and a dremel) you can easilly shorten the magazine so the stock can fold over it. I've done it to one mag, cutting it just bellow the middle screws and you end up with a 12ish round mag.
 
here is a thread about how others have done it.  http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=390491
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Reply #8 - 08/16/08 at 15:43:20
 
Thanks for the info and the link, ktwm. Good stuff! I have a milling machine in my basement, and I'll probably chop a mag soon, but for now inserting and removing the mag with the SU-22 folded is probably good enough.
 

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I'd like to have a short double stack high capacity magazine. I understand the technical limitations and I have a decent idea of the difficulty of pulling off a double stack .22 LR magazine. Maybe I'll do that after I cure cancer and create everlasting peace in the Middle East.
 
Hopefully, BDM will respond to the consumer demand for shorter single stack magazines. The SU-22 and PLR-22 demand isn't much yet, but with the high cost of .223 ammo there are AR-15 guys who will be increasingly using .22LR conversions for training, and a lot of them want to shoot off a bench.
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Reply #9 - 08/16/08 at 18:07:40
 
ktwm, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered before, but is KT going to release an SU-22C (with the charlie stock by default)? And if so, when will it be available?
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Reply #10 - 08/16/08 at 18:15:58
 
Quote from Sangueffusor on 08/16/08 at 18:07:40:
ktwm, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered before, but is KT going to release an SU-22C (with the charlie stock by default)? And if so, when will it be available?

 
 
not until a magazine that allows the stock to fold is available. I've talked to BDM about it but I think they have plenty of other magazines to make first.  Kel-Tec may end up machining some magazines down in size (like shown in that link) but that won't happen for a while, since there is still plenty of other parts to machine. (Like RFB parts...)
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Reply #11 - 08/19/08 at 01:53:18
 
I STILL haven't taken the SU-22 shooting yet, but I did finally spend some quality time with her today, disassembling, cleaning, and learning the differences between the SU-22 and the SU-16. There are some significant differences, but I'm even more impressed with the high quality of the parts and the design. The SU platform is excellent, and lends itself very well to a neat folding .22. How could anyone not like that?
 
I'm desperately wanting to take this fun little gun out shooting.
 
Some of the parts seemed a bit tight when I started disassembling, and while that made the initial disassembly a bit fiddly, I don't want a gun with a bunch of parts that are undersized to make sure they all fit regardless of sloppy tolerances. The SU-22 has a precision feel to it, like a modern firearm should.
 
I really want to take the SU-22 to the range and put some rounds downrange.
 
The first trip, I'm going to run a bunch of Federal bulk ammo through there and then try some of the Remington Golden Bullets to see that they really do jam as reported.
 
The next trip I hope to start my .22 tests, where I evaluate about 60 different types of .22 ammo, measuring muzzle velocity and standard deviation and extreme spread, and accuracy, and reliability to a very abbreviated extent. I'll do this for several different .22 firearms. The goal is a big chart that's sorted by cost, by accuracy, and by kinetic energy, so people can determine at a glance which ammo is likely to work in their similar gun.
 
Then, I'd like to pick a consistent ammo or two and test the SU-22 to see if it's more accurate stock, off a sandbag, with as much of the barrel unsupported as possible (I like to grip it on the receiver just in front of the mag well), or if it's more accurate with the compact forend removed and a custom bi-pod attached to the Compact Forend Barrel Nut.
 
I think I'm going to like the reduced heating when shooting .22LR instead of .223.
 
Did I mention that I REALLY want to take this neat little .22 to the range and put 1000 rounds through it?
 
All the moving parts seem to cycle a lot more smoothly after cleaning and lubricating, and probably the parts polished themselves a bit with my manually cycling them, even though from the cleaning it appears that my rifle may have been tested thoroughly at the factory. The bore was mostly clean and looks gorgeous after simply wiping it out with a little RemOil, but the parts in the Recoil Spring Tube seemed to have a fair amount of gunk on them. It looked like some lubricant, but also a fair amount of crud? Cleaned up easily, though. Maintenance is obviously a lot easier on the .22 version because it's simply a recoil spring and there isn't any hot combustion gas in this area unless maybe it sneaks in from the blowback operation on the chamber end. Overall, the maintenance on the SU-22 seems easy and there isn't much required. It's simple and quick, as a .22 should be. I think I may enjoy the heck out of the SU-22. It may have been the .22 rifle I had been wanting. Aesthetically, it's about as close to an evil black gun as a little .22 can be. Smiley
 
The more I play with it, the more I want a PLR-22 as well! I bet that only gets worse after I shoot the SU-22... soon!
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Reply #12 - 08/20/08 at 17:46:53
 
Quote from Liberty4Ever on 08/19/08 at 01:53:18:
I STILL haven't taken the SU-22 shooting yet.

I really want to take the SU-22 to the range and put some rounds downrange.

Did I mention that I REALLY want to take this neat little .22 to the range and put 1000 rounds through it?

 
All to loudly, and all too often!!!  Along with a plethora of other weapons which reside in your safe at home.  It's the actual shooting that seems to trip you up, although I do seem to recall seeing some pics of you somewhere in Kentucky earlier this year.  Photoshopped?   Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #13 - 08/20/08 at 17:50:27
 
3wb,
 
Seems like you've been working lots and shooting little of late.
 
They let you bring those subbies with you and shoot at floating targets bobbing up and down out in the water?
 
I'm going shooting... right now!
 
Range trip pictures later tonight.
 
PS - I'm also going shooting all day Saturday. Eat your heart out. Might even get inspired and post a SUB-2000 Braggin Rights target... maybe.
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Reply #14 - 08/20/08 at 17:56:13
 
Happy shootin' L4E!  
 
Lookin' forward to the pics and the report on the new toy.  Cool
 
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