Liberty4Ever
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I pride myself on valuing function over appearance, but I can't get past the look of the Hi-Point carbines. Aesthetics are very subjective. If the appearance doesn't bother you, then no problem. The Hi-Points are heavier, and I think they have a clunky feel but others probably perceive the same thing as the feel of solid reliability or quality. I'm an engineer and the Hi-Point looks low-tech to me, ignoring the aesthetics I mentioned earlier and looking more at the design and machining. I like the light weight of the SUB-2000. The S2K ergonomics do leave a lot to be desired. The straight bolt tube is an artifact of the S2K's ability to fold. To me, it's worth it. I love the little folding S2K. To my eye, the Hi-Point is ugly, but the S2K is "so ugly it's cute". Again, aesthetics vary greatly. YMMV. I have a notebook PC carrying case. I put my PLR-16 in the main compartment, and the 9mm and .40 S&W subbies in another divided compartment, and a lot of magazines in an exterior pocket. I could probably carry six or eight SUB-2000s in a notebook PC carrying case. I think I'll test that theory at the Republican National Convention next week... not! The subbies are remarkably portable when folded, and that opens a lot of possibilities where a pistol carbine is appropriate. You can take a SUB-2000 places a Hi-Point could never go - backpack, canoe, kayak, under a car seat, inside a winter coat, in a book bag in the summer, the aforementioned notebook PC carrying case, etc. To many people, that portability isn't important, but I like it. To me, a pistol carbine is an in between gun, when a pistol is too small and a rifle is too large. The folded subbie isn't much larger or heavier than a pistol, but the longer barrel delivers more energy and the longer sight radius makes it more accurate. If I was going to carry a big heavy Hi-Point, I'd get a rifle caliber rifle. In fact, I'd probably opt for an SU-16C and still have the ability to fold it! Mag compatibility was apparently a big part of the value that Kel-Tec saw for the S2K, but it doesn't appeal to me as much. However, I greatly appreciate the ability to buy inexpensive high quality Glock mags instead of some expensive, proprietary, low capacity mags. Being able to use Glock mags in a Glock is a little bonus for me. Basically, if you like the light weight and small size when folded, and can tolerate crooking your head sideways to shoot it, the S2K is a great little pistol carbine. If the look, feel, and weight of the Hi-Point don't bother you, it's a good choice. Like most things, what works best for you is determined by what you like and what you need. Choice is good. I hope you posted a similar poll at the Hi-Point forum. No doubt they'll vote as heavily in favor of the Hi-Point. Disclaimer: I'm cuckoo for Kel-Tecs.
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