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MikeTalia Junior Member I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 26	Re: kel tec's warranty Reply #15 - 11/03/09 at 07:51:56 Quote from shooter_tx on 11/02/09 at 22:16:40: Even if KT sees more returns than most mfrs, I'd wager that it's still within "acceptable limits" Until it's your gun. I know this forum is a small sliver of ownership, but how many here have had to send one back at LEAST once? Raise your hands...I have...
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Reply #16 - 11/03/09 at 07:56:22

Quote from TxCajun on 11/03/09 at 06:45:02:

Over the years I have sent back exactly one KT pistol.

I'm not going to argue that or the number of KT firearms you own. But, and be honest... How much monkeying around with some of them (fluff and buff, smoothing, extractor/ejector changes, etc) over the years did you do to get some of them to run right? "Fixed" them yourself to avoid sending them back to KT? As a moderator and self professed long time KT owner, I'll bet you did a LOT more messing around than the average person would and many of your guns would have been returned for repair had they been owned by someone else.

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Reply #17 - 11/03/09 at 08:38:10

i have a p40 that has cracked the frame twice
i have 2 sub-2000's that have made more trips than I care to think about, and one that still is not right
i have sold 2 pf-9's over that debacle.

there are some here who have only ever sent one in, there are some here that have sent many in.

but over all, IF IT IS MADE BY MAN, IT CAN HAVE ISSUES. And these are only one tool in the arsenal to be utilized. if you rely on the gun to get you out of a bad situation, you are really destined for failure.

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Reply #18 - 11/03/09 at 09:14:24

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if you rely on the gun to get you out of a bad situation, you are really destined for failure.

Please explain further. I rely on my car to get to work everyday. Am I destined for "travel failure" because it can break? I don't rely on a gun to get out of EVERY bad situation, but if I NEED it? Well, that's pretty much indicative of RELYING on it at that point. Guess cops, military, AND civilians who carry (and rely on) a gun to potentially "get them out of a bad situation", aka save their lives, have had it wrong for quite some time, huh?

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Reply #19 - 11/03/09 at 14:05:51

Quote from MikeTalia on 11/03/09 at 07:51:56:

Quote from shooter_tx on 11/02/09 at 22:16:40:

Even if KT sees more returns than most mfrs, I'd wager that it's still within "acceptable limits"

Until it's your gun. Wink

I know this forum is a small sliver of ownership, but how many here have had to send one back at LEAST once? Raise your hands...I have...

Oh, roger that loud and clear...

I was strictly talking about from a "bean counter," profit-making, stay-in-business perspective.

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Reply #20 - 11/03/09 at 14:10:59

Quote from MikeTalia on 11/03/09 at 07:56:22:

Quote from TxCajun on 11/03/09 at 06:45:02:

Over the years I have sent back exactly one KT pistol.

I'm not going to argue that or the number of KT firearms you own. But, and be honest... How much monkeying around with some of them (fluff and buff, smoothing, extractor/ejector changes, etc) over the years did you do to get some of them to run right? "Fixed" them yourself to avoid sending them back to KT? As a moderator and self professed long time KT owner, I'll bet you did a LOT more messing around than the average person would and many of your guns would have been returned for repair had they been owned by someone else.

I'm looking into my crystal ball and I am seeing... market research. And not just from Kel-Tec...

A few of the questions:

"If your firearm developed issues, would you be more likely to send it in for warranty work the first time, or sell it?"

"What about the second time?"

"The third?"

That is, if the firearms industry operates like some of the other industries I am familiar with.

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Reply #21 - 11/03/09 at 14:24:44

I'd keep sending a gun back time and time again until they got it right...or, if they can't? I'd demand a refund or exchange for something similar. I've done it before, so it's not just a Kel-Tec thing. I love the one and ONLY Kimber I currently own, which was not my original purchase. Needless to say, I'm in no hurry to buy another Kimber. undecided

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Reply #22 - 11/03/09 at 19:45:41

Quote from MikeTalia on 11/03/09 at 09:14:24:

Quote from virtual-rjhauser on 11/03/09 at 08:38:10:

if you rely on the gun to get you out of a bad situation, you are really destined for failure.

Please explain further. I rely on my car to get to work everyday. Am I destined for "travel failure" because it can break? I don't rely on a gun to get out of EVERY bad situation, but if I NEED it? Well, that's pretty much indicative of RELYING on it at that point. Guess cops, military, AND civilians who carry (and rely on) a gun to potentially "get them out of a bad situation", aka save their lives, have had it wrong for quite some time, huh?

before you get on your high horse, let me go here. have YOU ever been on the other end of a gun fight? have you?

really?

guess what...I have. i lived. i had the option, timing and ability to draw, made the decision, and have to live with the consequences.

so yes, if you rely on the gun to get you out of the situation, you are destined for failure. you are destined for the life of what follows and the decisions that are made and the repercussions that follow.

situational awareness, pepper spray, and many other things are all viable alternatives. the gun is not the only way out.

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Reply #23 - 11/03/09 at 21:37:48

+1 to RJ.

Also, I own 6 KT pistols. 7 at one point, but 6 now. Not ONE has ever been sent in for trouble, issues, or service. Not ONE has had a F&B done to it, or any "tinkering." They've been shot, cleaned, and lubed, that's it.

Same goes for the multiple other firearms I own. Not one has ever been tinkered with for reliability, nor has one ever gone back for warranty. So, if you ask me, KT's are JUST as reliable as anything else I own.

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tx-rvr Grand Poobah Posts: 668 Gender:	Re: kel tec's warranty Reply #24 - 11/03/09 at 21:50:44 If you think Kel Tec owners like to "tinker" with there guns you need to go to some 1911 sites. You will see what real tinkering is. Steve
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Reply #25 - 11/03/09 at 22:36:45

Quote from MikeTalia on 11/03/09 at 14:24:44:

I'd keep sending a gun back time and time again until they got it right...or, if they can't? I'd demand a refund or exchange for something similar. I've done it before, so it's not just a Kel-Tec thing. I love the one and ONLY Kimber I currently own, which was not my original purchase. Needless to say, I'm in no hurry to buy another Kimber. undecided

Oh, believe me... I would, too. On general principle.

I could be wrong, but just going by what I see/read in person and on gun forums, I think guys like us are in the minority.

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Reply #26 - 11/04/09 at 07:40:19

Quote from virtual-rjhauser on 11/03/09 at 19:45:41:

before you get on your high horse, let me go here. have YOU ever been on the other end of a gun fight? have you?

really?

guess what...I have. i lived.

Good for you. So have I, both in and out of the military. Have you been shot yourself, too? Not a whole lot of fun I'll tell you, and that's all I'm going to say on the issue. Now, if you're thinking of calling BS on me...well, same for you then. There's no way to "prove" either one of our claims, so don't waste your time.

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Reply #27 - 11/04/09 at 07:44:47

Quote from shooter_tx on 11/03/09 at 22:36:45:

I could be wrong, but just going by what I see/read in person and on gun forums, I think guys like us are in the minority.

I agree with you on that one. I just work too hard for my money and goddarnit if I'm going to buy something and it doesn't work right. I WILL get it working/fixed under warranty or get a refund/exchange. You should have seen me with Gateway Computers about 10 years ago. Got a brand new system delivered to my door several years later for free when my old one fried and the local Gateway store wouldn't fix it even though I had the 3 year extended warranty. It died at about 2 years 10 months, they kept it past the 3 year point and tried to tell me they wouldn't fix it because it was now out of warranty and/or they couldn't fix it because it was "too old". Well, then give me a new equivalent one according to the REPLACEMENT part of the warranty! They didn't want to and, somehow, just somehow...I had a nice person high up in the food chain call me at home asking if that new system was acceptable. I went to the investor section of their website and got every name under the sun. Sent them everything documented, complete with times, dates, employee names/numbers, etc. Too many businesses try to screw the consumer once the initial sale is done. Not with THIS consumer! Grin

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Reply #28 - 11/04/09 at 07:46:22

Quote from Lurker38 on 11/03/09 at 21:37:48:

Also, I own 6 KT pistols. 7 at one point, but 6 now. Not ONE has ever been sent in for trouble, issues, or service. Not ONE has had a F&B done to it, or any "tinkering." They've been shot, cleaned, and lubed, that's it.

I won't say your claim is false...just that I have a hard time believing it. You sure are in the minority, but good for you...

Upon reading that again... You did NOT say they were trouble free. Just that you didn't send any back or do anything beyond shoot, clean and lube. You never had any malfunctions or any problems of any kind? If so, post that to enhance your credibility.

[sarcasm] But, I'm sure you magically had no problems and every one worked 100% and shot to POA right out of the box every time... [/sarcasm]

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Reply #29 - 11/04/09 at 08:23:06

Actually there, bub, they HAVE been trouble free. Only issues I had were with one of two PF-9s, because I wasn't letting the trigger reset. First range trip, first PF-9. NONE of my KT's have had any issues at all that weren't caused by me.

Maybe to enhance your credibility, you should quit acting like a smug know-it-all, and treat others with some respect.

[sarcasm] But I'm sure you're military special forces, and have all kinds of experience with guns, and are only here to teach us the error of our ways, because you have so much to help us with [/sarcasm]

Roll Eyes

In fact, looking at your post history, I'll just say it:

Troll.

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