Hey guys,
 
I'm new to the forums but heard about how great the SU-16 is. My current plan is to get a C model with a YHM flash suppressor and an Ultradot Pan AV. However... I've never used or seen the Ultradot before. This might sound rather odd, but the reason I'm interested in the Ultradot is actually because of Call of Duty 4 (it seemed to be the sight affixed to a rifle in that game). And while that game is by no means a simulator of any kind, it did seem to me that have that wide field of view with the Pan AV was really helpful. I've only ever used a red-dot sight before on an m249 which is not a weapon I've used extensively so my experience with red-dots is limited. Would you guys recommend a different non magnifying red dot over the ultradot? I want to keep the su-16c as an ultralight rifle. The other reason I was considering the ultradot is the possibility of affixing it to the side of a large magnifying scope on a rare occasion.  
 
What are the mounting options available for scopes that allow the iron sights to still be used? What are the drawbacks of those mounting options?    
 
Here's a link to the ultradot Pan AV:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=527418&utm_source=froogl e&utm_medium=free&utm_campaign=657
 
Many thanks!

I like that quote a lot, thunderbolt.  Who said it?
 
Madkap, the popular choice for that style of sight is the Eotech, which has a metal shroud to protect the window from abuse, however they're extremely expensive.  Apparently, the Bushnell HOLO Sight is exactly the same, but without the armor and costs less.  There's another less expensive hologram-type type sight out there that's a little more heavy duty, but I can't remember it right now.  I'll post a link when I get home and find out exactly what it is.

Just found this sight:
 
http://www.meijer.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=110467&CAWELAID=31771705 5#
 
I'm almost embarrassed by it... but the truth is I can't tell a difference between that and the ultradot... can you?

Quote from Shanghai_Dan on 11/01/09 at 03:00:51:

 
Dan, buy 3 of them and I'll send you 42 bucks! haha need em for my airsoft guns.

BTW, here's some pictures of what it is:
 

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This is the "beefier" metal one, no plastic here!  All aluminum machining, good quality rail screws, etc.  Even the threading of the allen wrench adjustments was solid and clean.  Four different reticles, two colors (green and red), three intensities per color.  They said it was tough, as good as Aimpoint or Ultradot, and that it could be abused.  Even challenged them if I could drop it, said "mei wan qi" - no problem.  So I did - 3 feet onto concrete.  Small nick, that was it.
 
So I grabbed the two good ones they had, and told them to get a few more in on Sunday.  Got them at 300 RMB each.  I'm glad to pay 3X the price for the solid aluminum construction that took a 3 foot fall on to concrete.  Nothing worse than having a sight fall apart!  Also threw in two lithium 2032 batteries.
 
And no, they're not really Aimpoints...
 
Last photo shows one of the green reticles down the view - crisp and clean.
 
Also picked up two of these, one for my Susie, and one for a buddy...  200 RMB each.  Plenty bright with the reticle illumination, 3-9 range, and really fine adjustments on the crosshairs.  Have a different reticle, a range-finding reticle inside (mil-dot cross-hairs with multiple range gradient lines below the center).

Who said that we'd never use that geometry we learned in high school?  Perfect example to get the kids to pay attention - this can help you sight in your scope!