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Bullet, bullet, who's got the bullet...
11/03/09 at 22:44:22
 
First, let me declare myself the newest member of the PLR-22 FTF Club as I have been having the now-too-familiar FTF problems with my new PLR-22 that I purchased a couple of weeks ago, and am about ready to send it back for an over-haul.  But, I have also experienced another problem that I have not seen discussed thus far.  In a few of my couple hundred jam clearing exercises over the past several days, the round that was jammed at an unnatural angle into the barrel got flipped back over the bolt when the magazine was released.  In other words, there is enough gap between the top of the bolt and the inside of the frame for a live round to work its way back into the nether regions of the pistol and get stuck there, or worse, float around above the bolt or into the handle.  I've had this happen a handful of times, and have either had to try and shake the pistol vigorously in hopes of dropping the round out through the ejection port, or remove the pin on the grip and go fishing for it from the back end.  Anyone else find this a bit unnerving?
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Reply #1 - 11/03/09 at 23:07:33
 
Engineers speak of cascade failure, where one problem leads to another.
 
Most people understand the concept of "bad to worse".
 
When you have constant jams and misfeeds, the firearm is clearly not operating as designed and bad stuff is going to happen. My suggestion would be to try some ammo that is known to work well in most PLR-22 pistols. THEN, if you're still having problems, something may not be right with your PLR-22, although I'd still be reluctant to say it was definitely bad when you bought it. Continuing to jam round after round into a malfunctioning weapon is likely to damage something when the only initial problem might have been some ammo sensitivity in a new firearm prior to break-in.
 
While I admire your perseverance, I think the best course of action would be to read this forum and learn that most PLR-22 pistols like pretty much any Federal ammo, and buy a big box of that for the break-in period.
 
Patience is a virtue, right up to the point where it results in repeated malfunctions that could damage a pistol or possibly injure the shooter.
 
Rita Mae Brown (not Albert Einstein) said that the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results.
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Reply #2 - 11/04/09 at 10:09:46
 
 
Rita Mae Brown (not Albert Einstein) said that the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results.
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Yes, but it is interesting to see what Albert Einstein DID have to say on the subject of perseverance:
 
"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer."
Albert Einstein
 
"I think and think for months and years. Ninety-nine times, the conclusion is false. The hundredth time I am right."
Albert Einstein
 
I'll stick with Al on this one Smiley
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Reply #3 - 11/04/09 at 16:33:18
 
Yep - PLR22 is crazy picky on ammo. I experienced several different kinds of jams, including the stuck-above-the-chamber issue you discribed while I was trying out different types. I learned to keep a pair of needle-nose pliers in my range-bag to fish out anything that got stuck in there - no fun.
 
So far the only ammo I've found that feeds flawlessly is the Federal Bulk red or blue boxes. So I picked up a couple 1k-round boxes of that, and my last 2 range trips with the PLR have been 100% jam-free. I'm loving it!
 
Not sure where to find these in stock atm, but these are the products to look for:
 
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=340744
 
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=451658
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Reply #4 - 11/04/09 at 22:26:01
 
Quote from madFive on 11/04/09 at 16:33:18:

Yep - PLR22 is crazy picky on ammo.


My SU-22 is essentially jam free after a few thousand rounds, and I had a lot of fun getting to that point. It's more fun each time I shoot it.
 
 
 
Quote from madFive on 11/04/09 at 16:33:18:

I experienced several different kinds of jams, including the stuck-above-the-chamber issue you described while I was trying out different types.


I think the empty brass being stuck above the chamber is a symptom of bad ejection. I was having that problem before I sanded away some of the lower ejection port. The problem immediately went away for good. On the first hundred SU-22s (and early PLR-22s as well), the empty brass would bounce off the lower ejection port and back into the breech. Kel-Tec now trims the lower ejection port on their SU-22 and PLR-22.
 
 
 
Quote from madFive on 11/04/09 at 16:33:18:

So far the only ammo I've found that feeds flawlessly is the Federal Bulk red or blue boxes. So I picked up a couple 1k-round boxes of that, and my last 2 range trips with the PLR have been 100% jam-free. I'm loving it!

Not sure where to find these in stock atm, but these are the products to look for:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=340744

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=451658 \


Those are 6 and 8 cents each, even in 1000 quantities. I've had very good luck with the less expensive Federal bulk pack ammo (3 to 4.5 cents each), much of which I've bought at Mal*Wart, but Midway has two of them too. I've had very good performance with both of these, and the maroon box (cheapest) that Midway doesn't seem to sell.
 
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=439553
 
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=193520
 
The maroon bulk pack boxes and the blue bulk pack boxes have some variability that's apparently the result of inconsistent primer material although for the most part the accuracy is still very good and the SU-22 cycles fine despite the different sound of the muzzle report, but my only serious complaint is the complete lack of priming material in about 1% of the rounds in the blue or maroon value packs which results in misfires. The more expensive but still quite reasonable AutoMatch ammo apparently has much more consistent primer material - no duds and consistent muzzle reports.
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Reply #5 - 11/04/09 at 23:09:29
 
I was told as a young boy that free advice is worth what you pay for it... but if you seek it out you should at least consider listening to it.
 
That said, I went out today and bought four bricks of Federal Value Pack (550 rounds vs. the regular 500 rounds) in the maroon box - these are 36 grain copper plated hollow points.  This was the only Federal 22lr ammo I could find, so I figured I'd give it a shot, so to speak.  Well, I must say that I was absolutely giddy with the results - I only had time to go through two magazines (50 rounds), but these fed and ejected flawlessly!  I'll see how the other 2,150 rounds do over the weekend Smiley  
 
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Reply #6 - 11/04/09 at 23:43:13
 
Quote from DrGartin on 11/04/09 at 23:09:29:

Federal Value Pack... I was absolutely giddy with the results.


Now we're both happy. Smiley
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Reply #7 - 11/05/09 at 14:57:57
 
Glad that worked for ya, DrGartin - hopefully the rest of the new ammo will work just as well.
 
Quote from Liberty4Ever on 11/04/09 at 22:26:01:
I've had very good performance with both of these, and the maroon box (cheapest) that Midway doesn't seem to sell.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=439553

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=193520

 
ah - now that I'm looking there, I think that first link of yours (blue-box value pack) may be what I had instead of my link w/ the squirell on the box. Those did work very well, whatever they were.
 
And since that box is actually in stock ($20 for 525 rounds - wow!) I may have to load up on those next.
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Reply #8 - 11/06/09 at 08:51:17
 
Quote from madFive on 11/05/09 at 14:57:57:

$20 for 525 rounds - wow! I may have to load up on those next.


You might want to check Mal*Wart. The availability of ammo is finally rebounding and my local Mal*Wart stores have some ammo in stock now. The 550 round boxes of Federal .22 LR ammo were $14, but the most recent prices I've seen are $16. You pay any state and local sales taxes, but you don't pay shipping which can be substantial on heavy boxes of ammo.
 
You might need to check a few Mal*Wart stores in your area. One of mine stopped selling the 550 boxes of Federal, but a couple of others still have it.
 
I also had very good performance (accuracy and reliability) using Blazer bulk pack .22 LR ammo that I bought at Sportsman's Warehouse a little over a year ago. It has a lead bullet with no copper plating, but it does have a hard wax coating on the bullet. It didn't seem to gunk up the magazines, feed ramp, or chamber. I think I paid $13.50 for the box. There were none of the 1% duds I get with unprimed Federal ammo. Blazer is low cost CCI ammo. It's good stuff! I haven't read about it on KTOG, so you should probably shoot a box to make sure your PLR-22 likes it before stocking up on several boxes, but my SU-22 loved it and I would like to get some more, and maybe a LOT more!
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Reply #9 - 11/11/09 at 11:08:45
 
Went through another 500 rounds at one setting without any issues.  I'm in plinker's heaven....
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Reply #10 - 01/01/10 at 16:38:35
 
I haven't shot my PLR-22 yet, but I did go to Wal Mart today and picked up the bulk pack of Federals for 15.97 for 550 rounds. I plan to go to the indoor range this weekend and try it out!
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Reply #11 - 05/18/10 at 12:11:58
 
+1 what DrGartin said.
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