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permanent muzzle attachment = poor man's SBR?
11/04/09 at 07:24:29
 
discuss.
 
-edit- it's a stupid question really... just wanting to see what opinions are floating around. pros, cons, anybody who has done it... etc.
 
the attachment in mind at this moment, would be a fake suppressor.
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Re: permanent muzzle attachment = poor man's SBR?
Reply #1 - 11/04/09 at 15:03:02
 
How does a supressor (or fake) make an SBR?
Adding a vertical grip makes an AOW, having a buttstock makes an SBR
A fake suppressor merely makes a longer, heavier pistol.
No buttstock or vertical grip, still just a pistol.
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Re: permanent muzzle attachment = poor man's SBR?
Reply #2 - 11/04/09 at 21:23:15
 
it would not be an SBR. as that would be illegal without the paperwork. it would just be an illusion.
 
i'm just wondering if it would be a cheap way to attach a stock to your PLR-16. the permanent attachment/suppressor would add extra barrel length (in theory) putting it over the legal 16" barrel length.
 
law states that you can turn a pistol into a rifle, via this... however the opposite is illegal (turning a rifle into a pistol)... because once it has been originally manufactured with a stock, it must always be a rifle. however, as being a pistol, it can go back and forth between pistol and rifle... just depending on legal barrel and overall lengths.
 
back to the original post... i asked the question to see what opinions people have. if it has been done or not, etc.
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Re: permanent muzzle attachment = poor man's SBR?
Reply #3 - 11/09/09 at 07:07:04
 
retracting any interest, as it seems that nobody here has any.
 
though in essence, i would be creating a SU-16, so it's sorta redundant, as i could just buy one of those.
 
but some food for thought, i did do some research...
 
the point i made earlier about swapping back and forth with the pistol -> rifle -> pistol -> rifle idea, won't work. not easily anyways, as you'd have to have a barrel long enough to give a 26" OAL. but to put it simply, if done correctly, you can turn your pistol into a LEGAL RIFLE... but not back to a pistol. to do this, you have to swap your barrel for a 16"+ barrel (hence my original post discussing the permanent attachment of a muzzle device to give that length)... and then add a stock.
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Reply #4 - 11/09/09 at 15:27:36
 
I was under the impression that a pistol regardless of barrel length needs an SBR stamp to be turned into a rifle.
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Reply #5 - 11/09/09 at 15:35:28
 
Quote from fiveseven on 11/09/09 at 15:27:36:
I was under the impression that a pistol regardless of barrel length needs an SBR stamp to be turned into a rifle.

It does...  
 
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http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1217836037/6#6
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Re: permanent muzzle attachment = poor man's SBR?
Reply #6 - 11/09/09 at 17:31:20
 
Fiveseven is right, as is Midiwall. Logically, the OP is correct. However, we're dealing with ATF and logic does NOT apply.
 
Any PLR-16 was made from the factory and registered with ATF as a pistol. If (for whatever reason) the serial number is run, and it has a shoulder stock on it (regardless of length of barrel), you better have a tax stamp, or else you're going to club Fed.
 
It is just as simple as that. Once a pistol, ALWAYS a pistol, and NFA will ALWAYS apply. Same thing with conversion to SBR status. Once titled and converted into a Title 2 weapon, then it shall always be one. Even if you were to remove the shoulder stock, you would still need to keep the papers with the gun, proving you had something legal.
 
Sorry.
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