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RGADAMS Junior Member Posts: 56 Gender:	American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56) 11/04/09 at 15:44:10 I just bought a box of 200 rounds for $99. Any feedback out there on how our SU's like this ammo?
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Saelen65 YaBB Newbies I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 9 Gender:	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #1 - 11/04/09 at 18:46:08 I've had no issues and it's all I shoot. There's a huge ammo sale at Cabela's in East Hartford, CT. Bought two 200 rnd boxes two weeks ago. Their $89.99 a box
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RGADAMS Junior Member Posts: 56 Gender:	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #2 - 11/04/09 at 18:52:55 Have you shot at any solid targets to determine the bullet's expansion on impact? Translation: can you hunt four and two legged creatures effectively with this round?
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GAFUN YaBB Newbies I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 12	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #3 - 11/04/09 at 19:19:59 I have only shoot Federal XM193 ammo in my SU. My local shop has the AE XM193 for $89 per 200. I wasn't sure if all XM193 is loaded to the same spec. I read that XM193 does not meet SAAMI specs, hot ammo = Big flash I guess I will give it a try this weekend. Russ
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mastercrasher Senior Member Oh, to be in a dry place without commies Posts: 255 Gender:	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #4 - 11/04/09 at 19:35:55 No experience with .223 American Eagle but my PF-9, Yummy, it loves it.
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RGADAMS

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Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56
Reply #5 - 11/04/09 at 20:09:43

My two concerns are chamber pressure with the 5.56 (which the SU16 is labeled right on the rifle), and stopping power. With an SUV type rifle, I want the best of both worlds-stopping power and accuracy at a good price. I've purchased the 5.56 rounds today and have only fired .223 Rem up to this point. Still hoping for some field-tested feedback. Thanks for the replies. BTW, I'll probably shoot this weekend to determine for myself how I (and my rifle) like this round.

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Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56
Reply #6 - 11/04/09 at 22:07:20

Quote from GAFUN on 11/04/09 at 19:19:59:

I wasn't sure if all XM193 is loaded to the same spec. I read that XM193 does not meet SAAMI specs,
hot ammo = Big flash Wink

I guess I will give it a try this weekend.

Russ

It doesn't meet NATO specs. The http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/ has lots of info on the effects of M193. It's the old standard issue military ammo and some guard units with older rifles still use it. This old saying comes to mind regarding it. "If a fellas worth shooting once then he's worth shooting twice." XM193 is the civilian version, different sealant and possibly other non NATO spec details. Excellent for yours and my intended use, wish the price would come down a bit more tho.

BTW good brass for reloading.

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Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56
Reply #7 - 11/04/09 at 23:30:46

Quote from big-foot on 11/04/09 at 22:07:20:

Quote from GAFUN on 11/04/09 at 19:19:59:

I wasn't sure if all XM193 is loaded to the same spec. I read that XM193 does not meet SAAMI specs,
hot ammo = Big flash Wink

I guess I will give it a try this weekend.

Russ

It doesn't meet NATO specs. The http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/ has lots of info on the effects of M193. It's the old standard issue military ammo and some guard units with older rifles still use it. This old saying comes to mind regarding it. "If a fellas worth shooting once then he's worth shooting twice." XM193 is the civilian version, different sealant and possibly other non NATO spec details. Excellent for yours and my intended use, wish the price would come down a bit more tho.

BTW good brass for reloading.

In reviewing the ar15.com/ammo link, it looks like the xm 193 is the go to round for all purposes. Most of the reviewers maintain a cache of about 1,000 rounds in .50 cal ammo containers. If I'm comprehending correctly, it isn't a match grade round (ok for me, my rifle isn't a match-rifle), ballistically it is stable at 1:9 twist (good for me), it will take big-game with a good sight picture at a reasonable range (still positive), and two-legged cretins will drop on the spot if struck by one of these rounds. I've decided to upgrade from my 200 rounds of xm193 to 1,000 rounds with a nice ammo box to store them in. I'll still buy some Hornady HP strictly for meat, but I think the research dictates a cache of xm193. Any disagreement?

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macvs2 Full Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 148 Gender:	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #8 - 11/05/09 at 10:01:56 is there a state that allows big game hunting with ball?
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RGADAMS Junior Member Posts: 56 Gender:	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #9 - 11/05/09 at 10:12:31 Not that I'm aware of.
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Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56
Reply #10 - 11/05/09 at 11:34:34

Quote from RGADAMS on 11/04/09 at 23:30:46:

.......... and two-legged cretins will drop on the spot if struck by one of these rounds. .....Any disagreement?

Well M193 does yaw vary late at 5" normally (the best frag at 1-2") and sometimes even later than that and not doing much damage. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26905
The military trains to shoot multiple times IIRC, I'd do the same.

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Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56
Reply #11 - 11/06/09 at 17:41:53

Quote from big-foot on 11/05/09 at 11:34:34:

Quote from RGADAMS on 11/04/09 at 23:30:46:

.......... and two-legged cretins will drop on the spot if struck by one of these rounds. .....Any disagreement?

Well M193 does yaw vary late at 5" normally (the best frag at 1-2") and sometimes even later than that and not doing much damage. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26905
The military trains to shoot multiple times IIRC, I'd do the same.

Been there, Done that. Wink

I like the performance of this ammunition, cheap enough to cut paper, capable of doing its job when necessary.

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diginit Full Member I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 129	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #12 - 11/17/09 at 21:15:48 The 223/5.56 is not designed for stopping power. It is designed to wound. The theory is that it takes 2 men to carry a wounded man off the battlefield, Effectively removing 3 men from the field. Fed XM193 is good stuff for small game and targets. If you want stopping power, Carry a 45 with the rifle.
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Saelen65 YaBB Newbies I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 9 Gender:	Re: American Eagle XM193 Tactical Ammunition (5.56 Reply #13 - Yesterday at 07:46:15 Or carry a bigger rifle. I have an old (1952) Remington 740 semi-auto 30.06. I was able to find 10 round mags for it. Now that's stopping power!!!! 5.56 is perfect for coyote hunting and smaller. I wouldn't take it deer hunting unless I was in a survival situation.
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