KTOG Forum - Su-16 - Noob Problem solved Thanks All

new_cal_shooter Junior Member Take care of your self, and each other -Jerry S. Posts: 36	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #15 - 11/06/09 at 23:37:09 guess the extractor is the issue, get it clean and have fun this weekend! let me know what happens
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GunNoob Grand Poobah Posts: 787	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #16 - 11/06/09 at 23:53:44 hmm extrator looks pretty good. Should the ejector be so very very stiff? I think the stiff ejector is not alowing the round to set (just like you said).
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Lockjaw Full Member I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 129	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #17 - 11/07/09 at 07:29:54 I'd get some break free or whatever its called, and spray the extractor with it, and then clean it up and oil it with a high quality oil and see if it works. If not, quit messing with it and send it back to KT and let them fix it.
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Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight
Reply #18 - 11/07/09 at 09:41:01

BIG QUESTION. While at home are you pulling the bolt back and letting it fly foward to feed the round? Or are you hand cycling it? Hand cycling will not give the bolt enough energy to close completely on a lot of semi auto actions. The SU bolt is a lot like an AR bolt in that when it goes forward that last little bit the locking lugs rotate into lockup. That is what you are feeling when you push it that last bit. If it's not locking closed then when you pull the trigger the rear of the bolt is blocking the hammer from reaching the firing pin because it's not safely locked. I find this very unusual in a used gun. I might understand in a new one that needs broken in, but not a used one.

Don't be nice to it. Pull it back and let it fly forward. Then see if it still needs that final push to seat. If so there is something obstructing the bolt from seating closed.

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Reply #19 - 11/07/09 at 13:17:19

Quote from 3wbdriver on 11/07/09 at 09:41:01:

BIG QUESTION. While at home are you pulling the bolt back and letting it fly foward to feed the round? Or are you hand cycling it? Hand cycling will not give the bolt enough energy to close completely on a lot of semi auto actions. The SU bolt is a lot like an AR bolt in that when it goes forward that last little bit the locking lugs rotate into lockup. That is what you are feeling when you push it that last bit. If it's not locking closed then when you pull the trigger the rear of the bolt is blocking the hammer from reaching the firing pin because it's not safely locked. I find this very unusual in a used gun. I might understand in a new one that needs broken in, but not a used one.

Don't be nice to it. Pull it back and let it fly forward. Then see if it still needs that final push to seat. If so there is something obstructing the bolt from seating closed.

Well your analysis of me is dead on. I lightly let the bolt go and didnt let it fly. I was wondering if that was something I should have done now that Ive already used up my range money and time. Nuts. Maybe I can slide just on the skirts of town and let one fly and see if it works. Hoping all the cops are busy. The gun while from a pawn shop looks brand new. No scratchs, scrapes, or wear that I see.

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nw_mr2 Full Member I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 124	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #20 - 11/07/09 at 22:43:41 Yeah you definitely need to let the bolt carrier release on it's own. Sorry to hear you wasted time/ammo loading it improperly. Just pull back and let go, it's actually very satisfying feeling
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Lockjaw Full Member I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 129	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #21 - 11/07/09 at 22:53:51 Shooting it was much more satisfying for me.
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GunNoob Grand Poobah Posts: 787	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #22 - 11/07/09 at 23:39:10 I was able to get the rifle to fire. I put on some hearing protection and step in a shed and fire it into a barrel of sand. It fired good. I cant wait to try it truely.
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nmshooter Grand Poobah ATF should be a convenience store not a gov. agenc Posts: 1476 Gender:	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #24 - 11/08/09 at 20:21:10 Quote from GunNoob on 11/07/09 at 23:39:10: I was able to get the rifle to fire. I put on some hearing protection and step in a shed and fire it into a barrel of sand. It fired good. I cant wait to try it truely. Good call 3wb! So is it time to modify your subject, pain?
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shep854 Grand Poobah Posts: 1323 Gender:	Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight Reply #25 - 11/08/09 at 21:15:22 This is what KTOG is all about! Great news to hear the solution was so simple. Good job, guys!
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Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight
Reply #26 - 11/08/09 at 21:25:16

So, what have we learned today?? ..............Before we condemn a weapon, first lets see where the problem lies and determine a course of action to correct the problem, second correct problem, third shoot the hell out of it! Grin

Thanks for all the helps guys, I was out of town this weekend and only had the wife's iphone to check on things when I could pry it away from her! Cheesy

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Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight
Reply #27 - 11/08/09 at 22:02:09

Quote from GunNoob on 11/07/09 at 13:17:19:

Quote from 3wbdriver on 11/07/09 at 09:41:01:

BIG QUESTION. While at home are you pulling the bolt back and letting it fly foward to feed the round? Or are you hand cycling it? Hand cycling will not give the bolt enough energy to close completely on a lot of semi auto actions. The SU bolt is a lot like an AR bolt in that when it goes forward that last little bit the locking lugs rotate into lockup. That is what you are feeling when you push it that last bit. If it's not locking closed then when you pull the trigger the rear of the bolt is blocking the hammer from reaching the firing pin because it's not safely locked. I find this very unusual in a used gun. I might understand in a new one that needs broken in, but not a used one.

Don't be nice to it. Pull it back and let it fly forward. Then see if it still needs that final push to seat. If so there is something obstructing the bolt from seating closed.

Well your analysis of me is dead on. I lightly let the bolt go and didnt let it fly. I was wondering if that was something I should have done now that Ive already used up my range money and time. Nuts. Maybe I can slide just on the skirts of town and let one fly and see if it works. Hoping all the cops are busy. The gun while from a pawn shop looks brand new. No scratchs, scrapes, or wear that I see.

3wdr is right on. I would of asked that too. But its okay. Dont worry about, your learning as you go along so this is one of the thing that many many MANY people do too so your not alone. Treat the gun like you stole it when putting a round in and your good to go.

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Re: Su-16 = Paper Weight
Reply #28 - 11/09/09 at 20:43:35

Quote from nmshooter on 11/08/09 at 20:21:10:

Quote from GunNoob on 11/07/09 at 23:39:10:

I was able to get the rifle to fire. I put on some hearing protection and step in a shed and fire it into a barrel of sand. It fired good. I cant wait to try it truely.

Good call 3wb!

So is it time to modify your subject, pain? Wink

Ok well ive showed my gun noobness now its time for some forum noobness. How do you change the title?

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ah ok i got it. duh

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