Quote from MPDC69 on 07/21/10 at 07:27:33:Quote from pitor on 07/21/10 at 07:16:52:Hi Viper, did you have to custom order that "no print" flap for the nemesis? I couldn't find it on DeSantis web page. If so, how much you $$? I really like the flap idea...
Not Viper but
I have a "Super Fly" also. The flap attaches with velcro and is standard. It is based on the Nemisis but is a different model of that design. The Nemisis has no flap and is slightly less "tacky" .
The flap will eventually allow a slight printing of the weapon so it is not a total solution but better than most. The leather Pocket Holster. Com wallet unit is much better at hiding the outline and never came out of my pocket when drawing the weapon due to the unfinished leather of the rear side. It fits a front pocket and works better than the nemisis type holsters for tighter fits like jeans IMO. Back pocket carry is near impossible with the PF9, just a tad too big.
1.) Oops, my bad. Yeah it's a Desantis Nemesis "Superfly" model, and as MPD stated is standard with flap. Best I can recall, I think I paid around $25 for it last year.
2.) I agree yet disagree about the "slight printing of the
weapon" as the flap wears. You can clearly see in my picture that the flap is worn over a bit. Honestly I was really paranoid about that in the beginning, but I noticed that in this day and age of mens wallets in the front pocket, pda's, Ipod thingys etc.. they all look/print relatively the same, 'Bulky'. My wallet (do to my fat/muscular butt) is nearly the same size and shape including the angle of wear at the corner.
I have asked just about a dozen (trusted non gun phobic) friends and aquaintences to look at my front pocket with my
P11 (no less) in that holster, and not one guessed it was a gun. This includes at the range with a LEO buddy present. He said I "just taught him to look out for that" but agreed it was still a difficult call.
Most thought a wallet, or cell phone, etc.. Some of them (the friends) even knew I had/carried guns. I usually wear cargo pants, looser jeans, and dress slacks, all with fairly generous pockets. Thus if I wear tighter pocket pants, I can switch to owb with a large shirt or jacket, weather depending.
My point is simply that in this day and age with so many peoples pockets (especially guys) loaded down with all sorts of modern tech gadgets, wallets etc. Not many 'untrained' eyes stare at my pocket for more than a millisecond and think "is that a gun in his pocket?" Honestly, even with the worn angle flap it just looks like a fat wallet at worst. Not one person in any case has ever picked it out as a gun.
YMMV of course with choice of gun, pants, location carried, how you are behaving/acting, etc.. But seriously most people will never see or stare at your pocket seeing a "printed gun". Life and situations are busy and fast, and unless someone is seriously looking for such a thing, I doubt many could tell with certainty.
Just my .02