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let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
07/21/10 at 13:53:43
 
just what it says "we want range reports!!" post pics of your 10 shot groups at 100 yards "PLEASE!!!!" Tongue Tongue Tongue
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #1 - 07/21/10 at 15:58:31
 
@imyomama - You currently have the last post in nine of the threads on the front page of the RFB forum, and they're minor variations on the same theme. You want to see targets of ten shot RFB groups. That's a reasonable request and I hope someone honors that request, but dredging up old threads to add an off-topic post requesting ten shot group targets is not cool.
 
I'd take a tip from Jules in Pulp Fiction. I'd knock that $#!& off if I was you.
 
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #2 - 07/21/10 at 16:07:01
 
Quote from Liberty4Ever on 07/21/10 at 15:58:31:
@imyomama - You currently have the last post in nine of the threads on the front page of the RFB forum, and they're minor variations on the same theme. You want to see targets of ten shot RFB groups. That's a reasonable request and I hope someone honors that request, but dredging up old threads to add an off-topic post requesting ten shot group targets is not cool.

I'd take a tip from Jules in Pulp Fiction. I'd knock that $#!& off if I was you.

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I came here to post the same thing after I realized I was going to be responding to imyomama in every thread if I didn't! I posted a range report a while back with paper targets. I've only posted one or two, because I saw no need to continually keep posting targets with holes in them.
 
#1 - It doesn't prove anything. Anyone can take a target, put it at 10m, and pop 10 shots through the bullseye.
#2 - So you have information, my last 'accuracy' testing (working on my reloads with Hornady A-Max bullets) brought home one .83" 5 shot group at 100m. Hope this was the info you're looking for. I'm not a good enough shooter (yet) to consistently post groups that nice, but it's certainly possible to shoot good groups with this rifle.
 
That said - I was never able to do sub-moa with factory ammunition. Federal Gold Match was the best factory ammo, and it was just about 1" at 100m. WWB netted me 2" or so at 100m after my headspacing issue was corrected.
 
I get the best results with 45gr of Varget with the bullet seated so the COAL is 2.800". Barnes TTSX 168gr or Hornady A-Max 168gr, both seated to the same COAL. No idea how, but they shoot almost exactly the same at 100m. 500m+ the Barnes has the edge. I'm using Winchester brass, now.
 
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1258330888/0
 
^ That was my initial thread, before I had dialed in the load/learned to shoot the RFB better. There's some target photos for you.
 
[Edit: Just checked my logbook, COAL on my best groups was actually 2.800". Also, keep in mind, I haven't spent a huge amount of time dialing in loads nor working off the bench. I've been practicing practical shooting with my 'good enough' reloads for now, since I'm hunting quite frequently.]
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #3 - 07/26/10 at 17:26:00
 
Quote from Liberty4Ever on 07/21/10 at 15:58:31:
@imyomama - You currently have the last post in nine of the threads on the front page of the RFB forum, and they're minor variations on the same theme. You want to see targets of ten shot RFB groups. That's a reasonable request and I hope someone honors that request, but dredging up old threads to add an off-topic post requesting ten shot group targets is not cool.

I'd take a tip from Jules in Pulp Fiction. I'd knock that $#!& off if I was you.

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forgive me grand master!! the theme is the RFB.. I asked about running suppressed , i asked about the cheek peice , i asked about muzzle break , i asked about gas port settings and YES I asked about accuracy!!  I  wanted to order the cheek peice from nighthawk ..or steamie.. (can't remember which .. i talk to both ) however , there is this rule that you can't see that section till you got 25 posts so i tried to post about all I know so far and all I wanted to know since my RFB is still on order to get to 25 so i could order the darn thing.  ..so sorry you got up on the wrong side of the bed ... I did get the cheek peice  in the mail over the weekend , and i'm still trying to get my dealer to find one rifle to order..  
 
someone did reply to this post with better numbers that look promising and make me feel better about spending close to $1800 for a gun with no previous documented accuracy reports...
 
if you are the person in charge on this forum and have this kind of attitude .. well frankly I don't need you!! I hope you're not directly affiliated with kel-tec..  
 
I have a few hundred guns and this will be my first kel-tec.. I own suppressor , machine gun , and I shoot pistol and rifle competition ...  
 
so forgive me grand master for getting excited about this rifle and posting more than I should so I can get to the market place to order more things for this gun...  
 
BTW you get the facts .. I responded  to many threads on many topics not just accuracy......!!!! so pick on someone else ......have a nice day!! Angry
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #4 - 07/26/10 at 17:37:55
 
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I came here to post the same thing after I realized I was going to be responding to imyomama in every thread if I didn't! I posted a range report a while back with paper targets. I've only posted one or two, because I saw no need to continually keep posting targets with holes in them.

#1 - It doesn't prove anything. Anyone can take a target, put it at 10m, and pop 10 shots through the bullseye.
#2 - So you have information, my last 'accuracy' testing (working on my reloads with Hornady A-Max bullets) brought home one .83" 5 shot group at 100m. Hope this was the info you're looking for. I'm not a good enough shooter (yet) to consistently post groups that nice, but it's certainly possible to shoot good groups with this rifle.

That said - I was never able to do sub-moa with factory ammunition. Federal Gold Match was the best factory ammo, and it was just about 1" at 100m. WWB netted me 2" or so at 100m after my headspacing issue was corrected.

I get the best results with 45gr of Varget with the bullet seated so the COAL is 2.800". Barnes TTSX 168gr or Hornady A-Max 168gr, both seated to the same COAL. No idea how, but they shoot almost exactly the same at 100m. 500m+ the Barnes has the edge. I'm using Winchester brass, now.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1258330888/0

^ That was my initial thread, before I had dialed in the load/learned to shoot the RFB better. There's some target photos for you.

[Edit: Just checked my logbook, COAL on my best groups was actually 2.800". Also, keep in mind, I haven't spent a huge amount of time dialing in loads nor working off the bench. I've been practicing practical shooting with my 'good enough' reloads for now, since I'm hunting quite frequently.]

 
cool!! I run 168 SMK moly's , varget  on winchester brass on my bolt gun and get decent groups at 500 meters at my ranch.. nice to have your own place to shoot with no rules.. I welded my own target .. here is a pic of a 500 meter group .. first was low .. adjusted  accordingly shooting kinda fast it was hot!! 100 degrees in texas!!!
it was also windy that day.. see flag on second pic..   I hope I can get the RFB to hit steel out to 500 .. not expecting much more than that for a battle rifle... i'd be really happy with that!  
 
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #5 - 07/26/10 at 18:07:08
 
I'll try to explain about the problem with posting in that manner. I've never seen anyone on any forum do that, and now I know why.  
 
In order to compensate for your multi-posting, I had to check every thread because the concept of "thread" had been damaged on all the most recent stuff. Kind of like sifting through junk mail looking for the one letter of interest you're expecting.
 
So, pretty please - with sugar on top - no more junk mail. If you want to order something, PM the seller, or add your junk posts in the junk post area of this web site.
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #6 - 07/26/10 at 18:22:31
 
Quote from imyomama on 07/26/10 at 17:26:00:

...there is this rule that you can't see that section till you got 25 posts so i tried to post about all I know so far and all I wanted to know since my RFB is still on order to get to 25 so i could order the darn thing.


You missed the point of the 25 post rule for Trading Post access. If you don't want to read the Welcome To KTOG post that explains the reasoning behind the rule, then at least try to look at it from someone else's perspective, rather than just seeing the rule only in terms of the minor inconvenience it presents to you. Nobody has any motivation to encourage you to make 25 short posts, mostly devoid of any significant content, in order to access the Trading Post. Quite the contrary, in fact. At no time were you discouraged from posting questions about the RFB. We love questions, and gladly answer the same questions over and over. You weren't criticized or discouraged in any way from posting some wildly enthusiastic content-free messages about the RFB. Most of us have been there. You were simply asked not to post the same thing in a bunch of different threads in an attempt to bump your post count so you could access the Trading Post.
 
It should be obvious, but the reason for the 25 post requirement isn't all about you, the newbie buyer. The 25 post requirement is an attempt to provide some minimal assurance to those selling in the Trading Post. If you're a contributing member in the KTOG community, and it IS a community, then the seller can read your posts and determine if you are someone he might want to trade with. If you post a bunch of nearly identical "someone post some ten shot groups" posts, a seller doesn't have any good basis for a trading decision, although it definitely does say something about your character.
 
 
 
Quote from imyomama on 07/26/10 at 17:26:00:

I hope you're not directly affiliated with kel-tec.


Just a satisfied customer. I have no other affiliation with Kel-Tec.
 
 
 
Quote from imyomama on 07/26/10 at 17:26:00:

...so forgive me grand master for getting excited about this rifle and posting more than I should so I can get to the market place to order more things for this gun...


Just so we're clear, posting a lot isn't a problem, and being excited about the RFB obviously isn't a problem. The problem arises when you try to circumvent the rules by making numerous nearly identical posts to increase your post count so you can access the Trading Post, and in doing so you are inconsiderate to the active RFB community that logs in to KTOG to see if there is any new RFB news, or to try to help someone with a question or a problem, and they read your same "post some ten shot groups" message in most of the threads on the front page of the RFB forum. That behavior is so offensive that it's one of the few ways to be banned from KTOG. But don't take my word for it. I'm just the guy who deletes the occasional spam and tries to offer helpful suggestions to get new members off to a good start. If you follow the link I provided above and do a little bit of reading, you'll find the following quote from the *REAL* KTOG moderator.
 
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Since the Trading Post and the Counter tend to contain more personal information and involve issues of trust, we felt it appropriate that they should be restricted to members who have established some rapport with the group. All other boards, the ones that contain technical data, are open to anyone. So, if a Guest/Newbie wants to post in the Counter or buy and sell in the Trading Post, they'll have to register and make 25 meaningful posts in any of the other 19 boards on KTOG. Posting a string of one-liners in an obvious attempt to circumvent this policy is cause for banishment.


It's easy to find. It's just above "How to Get Banned in 7 Minutes or Less", showing a series of short posts used to bump up a post count for access to the Trading Post.
 
You are more than welcome to ask questions, make comments, share your excitement about the RFB, and even offer criticisms of the RFB, but don't engage in post wh0ring in an attempt to circumvent the rules you didn't bother to read to get instant Trading Post access. KTOG is a cool place, and that's not cool.
 
I hope none of the regulars who know all of this stuff read this far, but if you did, I apologize for the non-RFB diversion.
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #7 - 07/26/10 at 23:11:57
 
imyomama:
 
First, let me assure you that L4E has certainly not asked me to post to this subject.  Further more I am all but sure he would prefer I did not.  None-the-less, in addition to violating our relatively simple rules, when called on it, you reacted rather poorly.  And you do not get a pass for disrespecting a volunteer moderator who, with a reasonable amount of restraint and adequate politeness, tried to let you know that what you were doing was not cool.  In fact, it is quite specifically against the rules, which you either couldn't be bothered to read, or read and chose to ignore and violate anyway.  Whatever the case, I have very limited tolerance for either.  
 
I'm mostly posting here because I know that cracking the whip, even when if begs cracking, isn't something that Bruce is comfortable doing.  Those libertarian types are just one gene apart from an anarchist and enforcing rules is not his forte.  In his perfect world, everyone would act right and there would be no need for rules.  Therefore I particularly appreciate it when he does, and I will defend him when he gets a hard time for his efforts.  I am less of an idealist and more of a realist.  I understand that some people are basically selfish and have been somehow taught that rules and protocol are for dummies.  They are typically mostly concerned with their own needs and whatever utility they can get from a resource and are not terribly concerned for the common good of the forum.  It is nothing novel or interesting.  I have seen what very loosely run forums are like, including this one at one time.  They are not very productive or fun places to be.    
 
Quote from imyomama on 07/26/10 at 17:26:00:
...forgive me grand master!!

You sarcasm directed at a forum moderator is not appreciated and is out of character for this group.  
 
 
Quote from imyomama on 07/26/10 at 17:26:00:
...so forgive me grand master

At the very least, learn some new smarta$$ed insults.  Few things are more annoying than a fake, sarcastic  apology, especially when a sincere one would actually be appropriate.  
 
 
Quote from imyomama on 07/26/10 at 17:26:00:
...if you are the person in charge on this forum and have this kind of attitude .. well frankly I don't need you!!

I really couldn't care less what you need.  This moderator devotes a lot of his personal time and energy to help make this a great resource.  You won't find this level of RFB information anywhere, period, and he is largely responsible for the management of this resource, so if you think the information posted here may be of value to you, indeed you need him as do the rest of us.  Now if you want to discuss exactly who is NOT needed here, there is absolutely no contest.  In other words, if you think you might prefer reading this forum as a guest who can only read the threads, stay the course.
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #8 - 07/27/10 at 09:47:00
 
my original reason for being pissed off was that he said I had 9 post all about the 10 shot group ... and that's just not true..! Read ALL my posts and then you can get on my tushy about it .. but you won't because I didn't! yes when people were talking about shot groups , I replied on that subject .. but that's not all I did ... so the moderator's comment and line from the movie to make him sound like a bad ass was taken in a wrong way...
 
yall need to chill!! i think your mighty moderator powers are going to your heads!
 
I really don't have time to read all your responses..  all I care about  is this comment " @imyomama - You currently have the last post in nine of the threads on the front page of the RFB forum, and they're minor variations on the same theme. You want to see targets of ten shot RFB groups. That's a reasonable request and I hope someone honors that request, but dredging up old threads to add an off-topic post requesting ten shot group targets is not cool.  
 
I'd take a tip from Jules in Pulp Fiction. I'd knock that $#!& off if I was you. "
 
THAT WAS NO TRUE! THAT WAS NO TRUE!  
THAT WAS NO TRUE!
 
 
i'm tired of repeating myself .. can we PLEASE move on?
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Re: let's see some 100 meter target groups!!
Reply #9 - 07/27/10 at 10:03:11
 
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