The P11's "Grandfather": The Grendel P12
All of the postings regarding the
"grandfather" of our beloved Kel-Tec P-11, the Grendel
P-12, aroused my curiosity. I planned on going to a local gunshow
on July 4th and look for one. Unfortunately, unforseen
circumstances arose which prevented my attending the gunshow.
Luckily, on the 4th, Tom LaFrance posted to KTOG that he had a
P-12 for sale! I immediately sent a post to KTOG saying
"DIBS!"
Below is my "report" on the P-12.
1. Appearance -- as can be seen from the
graphics, the P-12 bears a strong resemblence to the P-11. The
trigger guard is different ... larger and more square, but the
grip (especially the checkering) almost identical. (Interestingly
enough, the P-12 displays the "Recycled" icon on the
polymer parts; the P-11 doesn't.) The slide is very similar, but
there are some differences, primarily the sights. Both the front
and rear sights are integral to the slide (i.e., part of it and
not adjustable/replaceable). The magazine release is on the
bottom of the grip, and it is used by moving the vertical lever
towards the front of the weapon. The mags holds 10 rounds of
..380. At least I can get 10 rounds in them; however, the mags
function better with 9 rounds inserted. I don't know if the
actual capacity is 9 or 10. The P-12 is 5 1/4 inches long, right
at 4 inches high with mag installed, and 1 inch thick. I haven't
weighed it.
2. Function -- I fired 100 rounds total,
broken down as follows: 20 rounds of UMC 95 grain FMJ.
(I do not normally use UMC, but had these in the gun bag.) The
P-12 does not like the UMC ammo (neither does my P-11). First
round jammed with its nose against the bottom of the feedramp
when I released the slide. I had 2 other failures to feed with
the UMC ammo. Muzzle flash was large and bright. As a matter of
fact, I could see the flash between the slide and the frame rails
(i.e., I could "see through" the P-12 to the muzzle
flash. Recoil was minimal. 50 rounds of Fiocchi 95 grain
FMJ. I had four failures to feed (new round either nose
against the bottom of feedramp or new round stovepiped with the
slide closed against it. (I have never seen this kind of failure
to feed before.) 20 rounds of range reloads (I
don't know the weight). I bought 50, but gave the other 30 back
to the range. In the 20 rounds, I had 6 or 7 failures to feed. In
these failures, the slide failed to pickup the next round in the
mag. I thought they were light strikes, so waited 30 seconds and
pulled the trigger again. No bang. Waited 30 seconds then dropped
the mag and opened the slide. No round in the chamber, so I
counted rounds in the mag and discovered that the slide had not
fed the next round. I doubt this was caused by the range reloads,
but it did not happen with any other rounds. I also fired 5
Glaser Safety Slugs and 5 CorBons, even though these
rounds are frowned upon by the range. Since there was no one else
using the range, I asked the owner if I could. He said OK. The
Glasers worked fine. Of the 5 CorBons, I had one stovepiped live
round as with the Fiocchi (above). I suspect most of the problems
feeding rounds were caused by the mags, but am not sure. I will
take them apart soon and clean and inspect them.
3. Accuracy -- Despite the problems, the
Grendel P-12 was very accurate. Good groupings at POA at 7 yards.
At 15 yards, the weapon (or me) hit low from POA, but all the
shots (except 1) were on the paper with most of them within the
silhouette. For central body cavity hits, I aimed at the head.
4. Disassembly -- Since I had heard so many
horror stories on KTOG about detail stripping the Grendel, I did
not attempt that. Removal of the slide is difficult (as is
reassembly). It is very similar to the AMT Backup .45 in that
there is a pin which must be punched out. The hard part is
aligning the holes on both sides of the slide with the pin. With
the slide lock engaged, the holes are too far back, so I had to
manually position the slide and hold it while using a punch to
push the pin out. Let me tell you, for a .380, that sucker has a
STRONG recoil spring. I found it very difficult to hold the slide
in the proper position. During reassembly, the pin must be
reinserted properly (i.e., the correctly sized end must be
inserted first). Unfortunately, that end of the pin is not marked
in any way (at least not that I could find). I plan on painting
or polishing or scoring that end of the pin somehow so it is
easily identifiable.
5. Overall impression -- I am certainly glad
George Kelgren developed the P-11!! I would not carry the P-12 as
a self-defense weapon right now as-is. Perhaps the choices of
ammo made a difference in the function of the P-12. Perhaps the
problem is with the mags. I will continue to "play
around" with it to see if function can be improved.